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Members Of Congress Urge Redskins To Change Name

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 12:08 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 May 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

exactly, they have more important crap to deal with then the name of a sports franchise


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Yes because as we all know drafting a letter and sending it out takes up a lot of time. A member of one person's staff probably wrote it and the others just added their names to it.

Congress is in recess this week.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 12:51 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 May 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

exactly, they have more important crap to deal with then the name of a sports franchise



First of all do you even know the name of your representative in congress (without looking it up)? Again congress is in recess this week. So they're not dealing with any "crap" this week. They're likely spending this time trying to raise money for the 2014 midterm election. Also I find it hilarious that this gets people upset. SOME members of congress send out a letter to Goodell and the NFL owners and that gets people upset. Yet when congress spends most of its time talking to campaign donors and lobbyist instead of writing, debating, and voting on legislation, people don't say shit about that. THAT doesn't incite the same kind of outrage this letter apparently has. Another example of Americans shooting at an easy target. There is currently a bill in congress that would cut funding to a program that feeds millions of poor children while also giving major subsidies to big corporate farms. But we're upset about a letter asking to change the Redskins' name? There is a bill just passed by the House that would increase the interest rates on federal student loans. An interest rate that is already and would be even higher than the interest rate the big banks (we bailed out in 08 BTW) currently pay. But again, we're upset about a letter to the NFL owners about the Redskins name.

Do any of you really think congress would be any closer to passing the budget if these few congressmen hadn't sent this letter to the NFL owners? How long do you really think it took to write and add names to that letter? Letter or no letter, congress would not be any closer to passing a budget than they are right now. This "budget vs. letter" talk is just a bullshit excuse to bitch about congress when there are more legitimate reasons to bitch about congress.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 29 May 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Yeah, well, that's all it is...a few individuals from congress (not the entire entity) expressing an opinion. They're not forcing anyone to do anything.


No it's not just a few individuals. It's 10 Congressmen from pretty much every subcomittee that lobbies for Native American rights. It's not as simple as "oh it's just a staffer in someone's office". It's an initiative that they are trying to drum up support for. That's why they sent the same letter to the other 31 teams, Goodell's office and the stadium sponsor. They're hoping for a public, or at least this type of discussion that we're having and apply that pressure to Snyder. It's a congressional action as big as these subcomittee of special interests can whip up in this case, so no, don't kid yourself, this is congress intefering with private commerce without merit.


View PostHurricaneJet32, on 29 May 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

And stop with garbage about "spend more time fixing the economy" crap...this takes a few seconds out of their day. If you want to fix the economy get rid of the party system and it's ridiculous kindergarten gang mentality.


No one expects them to fix anything. At this point, I think most of us would be happy if they simply stayed away from what's left.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:49 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

Yes. Not because it's "congress" per se, but because this is another example of the ever expanding bureaucracy. Congress, nor any other government entity should have an opinion on how a private business markets itself. SUre, the individuals working in those government entitities can have their own opinions, but they should be that... individual and not coming from "congress". As long as an enterprise is running a lawful business, congress should not glance in their direction.



Yeah congress should have an opinion. Especially when the government gives out billions of dollars in loans to cities so they can build or upgrade stadiums for NFL franchises. You might be right IF that business (in this case the NFL) were truly and totally a private business. As long as some NFL stadiums are built using tax dollars, members of congress can send out letters to NFL owners about anything they want.

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New York Giants fans will cheer on their team against the Dallas Cowboys at tonight’s National Football League opener in New Jersey. At tax time, they’ll help pay for the opponents’ $1.2 billion home field in Texas.

That’s because the 80,000-seat Cowboys Stadium was built partly using tax-free borrowing by the City of Arlington. The resulting subsidy comes out of the pockets of every American taxpayer, including Giants fans. The money doesn’t go directly to the Cowboys’ billionaire owner Jerry Jones. Rather, it lowers the cost of financing, giving his team the highest revenue in the NFL and making it the league’s most-valuable franchise.

“It’s part of the corruption of the federal tax system,” said James Runzheimer, 67, an Arlington lawyer who led opponents of public borrowing for the structure known locally as “Jerry’s World.” “It’s use of government funds to subsidize activity that the private sector can finance on its own.”

Jones is one of dozens of wealthy owners whose big-league teams benefit from millions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies. Michael Jordan’s Charlotte, North Carolina, Bobcats basketball team plays in a municipal bond-financed stadium, the Time Warner Cable Arena, where the Democratic Party is meeting this week. The Republicans last week used Florida’s Tampa Bay Times Forum, also financed with tax-exempt debt. It is the home of hockey’s Lightning, owned by hedge-fund manager Jeffrey Vinik. None of the owners who responded would comment.
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Tax exemptions on interest paid by muni bonds that were issued for sports structures cost the U.S. Treasury $146 million a year, based on data compiled by Bloomberg on 2,700 securities. Over the life of the $17 billion of exempt debt issued to build stadiums since 1986, the last of which matures in 2047, taxpayer subsidies to bondholders will total $4 billion, the data show.

Those estimates are based on what the Treasury could have collected on interest from the same amount of taxable bonds sold at the same time to investors in the 25 percent income-tax bracket, the rate many government agencies assume. In fact, more than half the owners of tax-exempt bonds pay top rates of at least 30 percent, according to the Congressional Budget Office. So they save even more on their income taxes, a system that U.S. lawmakers of both parties and President Barack Obama have described as inefficient and unfair.


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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:53 PM

so should congress send Woody Johnson a letter telling him to change the name of his company "Johnson and Johnson" because Johnson is a slang term for penis and not only is that vulgar but also gay?
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 May 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

so should congress send Woody Johnson a letter telling him to change the name of his company "Johnson and Johnson" because Johnson is a slang term for penis and not only is that vulgar but also gay?

If the logo was a giant penis then yes.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:12 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Yeah congress should have an opinion. Especially when the government gives out billions of dollars in loans to cities so they can build or upgrade stadiums for NFL franchises. You might be right IF that business (in this case the NFL) were truly and totally a private business. As long as some NFL stadiums are built using tax dollars, members of congress can send out letters to NFL owners about anything they want.


Giving loans does not give anyone the right to interfere with commerce. That's just a moronic statement. When you agree to lend money, you agree to terms. If you don't agree to terms, you don't lend. Period. When you cut the check, you expect both parties to honor the terms. That's how lending works. Your bank cannot tell you "oh we lend you money for your car but now we want you to wear a green shirt to work because our new CEO is Irish and since we lent you money, we'd appreciate it if you showed him your support". No. That doesn't happen and you're a moron for even suggesting it.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 May 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

so should congress send Woody Johnson a letter telling him to change the name of his company "Johnson and Johnson" because Johnson is a slang term for penis and not only is that vulgar but also gay?


Woody Johnson is no longer affiliated with Johnson & Johnson corporation. If I recall the Johnson family (Woody's family) haven't been a part of Johnson & Johnson since the 1960s. Woody thought he was going to be J&J's CEO like his dad was, until the board of directors got rid of Woody's family.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

Yeah congress should have an opinion. Especially when the government gives out billions of dollars in loans to cities so they can build or upgrade stadiums for NFL franchises. You might be right IF that business (in this case the NFL) were truly and totally a private business. As long as some NFL stadiums are built using tax dollars, members of congress can send out letters to NFL owners about anything they want.

TIL, GFE REG Z and other regulations prohibit lenders to add or demand anything more than the closing documents state. Even stips within the closing documents are contested and won the majority of the time. Look at the ROBO signing cases in court now. Any NMLS based loan or even real estate based loan are so heavily regulated that this leverage wont work. The only leverage the government has is what they are doing (getting the public mad) and not lending in the future. Although the lending in the future would be a bad idea since not only would they loose the interest income from the stadium but also the tax income.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:47 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 May 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

so should congress send Woody Johnson a letter telling him to change the name of his company "Johnson and Johnson" because Johnson is a slang term for penis and not only is that vulgar but also gay?


You have a wonderful way of bringing an argument in incredibly irrelevant directions.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:48 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

No it's not just a few individuals. It's 10 Congressmen from pretty much every subcomittee that lobbies for Native American rights. It's not as simple as "oh it's just a staffer in someone's office". It's an initiative that they are trying to drum up support for. That's why they sent the same letter to the other 31 teams, Goodell's office and the stadium sponsor. They're hoping for a public, or at least this type of discussion that we're having and apply that pressure to Snyder. It's a congressional action as big as these subcomittee of special interests can whip up in this case, so no, don't kid yourself, this is congress intefering with private commerce without merit.


OK, take away all the noise about the government, the system, who should be doing what and when and why...yadda yadda.

Do you think a professional football team should be named the Redskins? Yes or No.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:00 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 29 May 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

OK, take away all the noise about the government, the system, who should be doing what and when and why...yadda yadda.

Do you think a professional football team should be named the Redskins? Yes or No.

I will need the government to spend 100s of millions of dollars doing research to the extent of the racial impact before I can vote.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:03 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

Giving loans does not give anyone the right to interfere with commerce. That's just a moronic statement. When you agree to lend money, you agree to terms. If you don't agree to terms, you don't lend. Period. When you cut the check, you expect both parties to honor the terms. That's how lending works. Your bank cannot tell you "oh we lend you money for your car but now we want you to wear a green shirt to work because our new CEO is Irish and since we lent you money, we'd appreciate it if you showed him your support". No. That doesn't happen and you're a moron for even suggesting it.


LOL, and you call my statement moronic. You're comparing a private bank giving out a car loan to an individual, to the government (a public entity) loaning tax dollars (taken from the public unwillingly) to a city government (another public entity) so they can build a stadium to benefit a mostly private business (the NFL), who can build the stadium themselves with their own money or by raising the funds privately. Really? You don't see the difference in those two things? The money that bank is giving out for that car loan is from others who've put money into that bank willingly. If I know my bank is giving out loans for people to buy German cars and I hate German cars, I can take my money out of that bank and put it into another bank or CU. I have that option. But tax payer money used to partly build a NFL stadium are from people who have had their money taken from them unwillingly. In this instance if you are a person (like myself) who pays taxes to the federal gov't who thinks the Redskins should change their name and the gov't gives the city of Landover, Maryland X amount of tax dollars to upgrade or build a new stadium, you have no choice but to help fund that stadium after Snyder gets those funds. I can't take my tax dollars and give them to another U.S. federal government if I don't like who this gov't is giving them to. So in this case I can't take my tax dollars to another federal government if I don't like terms they and Dan Snyder agree to. I don't have a choice, unlike where I choose to bank at.

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My only option as a tax payer is to complain to the people who make the tax laws (congress) to change that. Because congress has influence. Kind of like a group of people who don't like the Redskins name complaining to congress to push for the changing of that name. Again because congress has influence (they help fund NFL stadiums).

Do you understand the difference now, or did that go over your head too?
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:08 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 29 May 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Do you think a professional football team should be named the Redskins? Yes or No.


YES. Only because there is a team named the Redskins already and that team has a strong brand. I'm tired of every minority with a lobby getting on a soap box and demanding this and demanding that. How is having a team in DC named the "Redskins" a detriment to the quality of life for people in American Samoa? If it's that bad, maybe Samoan players should refuse to play for Snyder. That would send a stronger message than any public servant flapping their arms with some pathetic attention grabbing letter designed to coerce a private company (which the Redskins are) into changing their brand. It's absolutely ludacris that a PUBLIC SERVANT is allowed to do that. Worry about your constituents in your district. Don't try to elevate yourself or your agenda by picking on a world famous brand. Fuckoutta here with that bullshit.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Do you understand the difference now, or did that go over your head too?


I don't read your posts unless they are 3 lines or less. Learn to be concise or I don't waste my time.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

YES. Only because there is a team named the Redskins already and that team has a strong brand. I'm tired of every minority with a lobby getting on a soap box and demanding this and demanding that. How is having a team in DC named the "Redskins" a detriment to the quality of life for people in American Samoa? If it's that bad, maybe Samoan players should refuse to play for Snyder. That would send a stronger message than any public servant flapping their arms with some pathetic attention grabbing letter designed to coerce a private company (which the Redskins are) into changing their brand. It's absolutely ludacris that a PUBLIC SERVANT is allowed to do that. Worry about your constituents in your district. Don't try to elevate yourself or your agenda by picking on a world famous brand. Fuckoutta here with that bullshit.


^ Not 3 lines or less... :sterb041:
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

I don't read your posts unless they are 3 lines or less. Learn to be concise or I don't waste my time.


That's all I have to do to keep you from reading my posts? That's good to know. I'm going to have to make sure to put at least 300 words in more of my posts from now on. Thanks for letting me know.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:44 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

That's all I have to do to keep you from reading my posts? That's good to know. I'm going to have to make sure to put at least 300 words in more of my posts from now on. Thanks for letting me know.


This is probable the tenth time I told you this. Every time an issue comes up, you take one paragraph and expand it into 3, then the 3 to retort your 3 into 9 etc etc. I just don't have the patience for it. I think the Redskins are fine, you think the government has a right to tell them to change their name. Lets leave it at that.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

This is probable the tenth time I told you this. Every time an issue comes up, you take one paragraph and expand it into 3, then the 3 to retort your 3 into 9 etc etc. I just don't have the patience for it. I think the Redskins are fine, you think the government has a right to tell them to change their name. Lets leave it at that.


^ More than 3 lines. :banghead:
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:52 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 29 May 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

^ More than 3 lines. :banghead:/>


It's a line and a half on my screen. Get a grown up laptop.
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