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Members Of Congress Urge Redskins To Change Name

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:02 PM

"We will never change the name of the team," Snyder told USA TODAY Sports this week. "As a lifelong Redskins fan, and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it's all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season."

What if his football team loses an ongoing federal trademark lawsuit? Would he consider changing it then?

"We'll never change the name," he said. "It's that simple. NEVER you can use caps."

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

YES. Only because there is a team named the Redskins already and that team has a strong brand. I'm tired of every minority with a lobby getting on a soap box and demanding this and demanding that. How is having a team in DC named the "Redskins" a detriment to the quality of life for people in American Samoa? If it's that bad, maybe Samoan players should refuse to play for Snyder. That would send a stronger message than any public servant flapping their arms with some pathetic attention grabbing letter designed to coerce a private company (which the Redskins are) into changing their brand. It's absolutely ludacris that a PUBLIC SERVANT is allowed to do that. Worry about your constituents in your district. Don't try to elevate yourself or your agenda by picking on a world famous brand. Fuckoutta here with that bullshit.



Every minority with a lobby? Does that include groups that lobby congress like the NRA or the Sierra Club? Those are minority groups too. The congressman (delegate) from American Samoa (Eni Faleomavaega) is a native of the Samoan peoples which is a territory of the United States of America, thus making him a Native-American. His ancestors were in Samoa long before the USA came there and said this is ours now. Congressman Tom Cole is a member of the Chickasaw nation. Congressman Grijalva's district is near the Yavapai reservation. So some of them make up his constituency. Also Faleomavaega and Elenore Holmes Norton (the D.C. delegate) are NON-VOTING members of congress. Meaning all they can pretty much do is "get on their soapbox" and lobby others to do something. IMO every player and coach should refuse to play for or against the Redskins. But of course the NFLPA is a weak union with indifferent and undereducated membership. So that's not going to happen. Most of us (fans) don't even know a Native-American let alone care about them (just look at how we ignore the fact that the merchandise we buy is made by Asian slave labor). Out of site, out of mind. So there is not going to be a fan boycott of the Redskins or the NFL. So the things that would send a strong message won't happen because the majority of NFL fans (people who aren't and don't know any Native-Americans) aren't going to send that strong message. The majority (us non-Native-Americans) aren't doing anything to change a wrong, so what is the minority to do? What other recourse do they have to voice their views on this Redskins name issue? I guess express those views to their elected officials? People like Faleomavaega, Cole, Grijalva, and Norton for instance. But I guess you're right we (the USA) took their land from them, reneged on the treaties we signed with them, committed mass genocide killing off millions of their people, tried to enslave them, and forced them to either assimilate into American culture or live in poverty and die. But if that's not bad enough let's also use a racist slur used to demean them, all so an already rich man can make even more money because he doesn't want to change his strong "brand." That's the most fucked up argument a person can make to keep that ridiculous name. f*** his "brand." I bet if when Snyder bought that team and their name were the "Washington Kikes" he (a Jewish person) would have changed that name on day one of his ownership. That's why I don't buy that "keeping the brand name" argument. It doesn't slur him or his people, or the majority of the NFL's fanbase. So that's why he won't change it even though he knows it's racist.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:14 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

This is probable the tenth time I told you this. Every time an issue comes up, you take one paragraph and expand it into 3, then the 3 to retort your 3 into 9 etc etc. I just don't have the patience for it. I think the Redskins are fine, you think the government has a right to tell them to change their name. Lets leave it at that.



Are you feeling inadequate that your posts aren't as long as mine? Go buy a pickup truck and a big gun. This is probably the tenth time I've told you this. Like I really give shit about you (or anyone else) having a problem with how long my posts are. Read them, don't read them, I'm still going to do it. Is that concise enough for you?
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

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2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
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4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:17 PM

If i was dan synder i'd change the "niggacrackerspickwetbackfaggots"
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

I highly doubt a good amount of people (including some in this thread/members of this forum) bitching about how Congress doesn't do x,y, and z can actually name their representative (or any of their other elected officials for that matter).
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 29 May 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

I highly doubt a good amount of people (including some in this thread/members of this forum) bitching about how Congress doesn't do x,y, and z can actually name their representative (or any of their other elected officials for that matter).


I'm not bitching its more of a mind yo business congress
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:05 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Are you feeling inadequate that your posts aren't as long as mine? Go buy a pickup truck and a big gun. This is probably the tenth time I've told you this. Like I really give shit about you (or anyone else) having a problem with how long my posts are. Read them, don't read them, I'm still going to do it. Is that concise enough for you?

What do you have against people with pickup trucks and guns? Are you saying people who drive pick ups or own guns are dumb?
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:20 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 29 May 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

What do you have against people with pickup trucks and guns? Are you saying people who drive pick ups or own guns are dumb?


No, wasn't saying they're dumb LOL. No not dumb.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:24 PM

What are you saying. I drive a truck.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:30 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 29 May 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

What are you saying. I drive a truck.


Don't worry about it. I was just messing with him. I'm sure you're alright though.

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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 May 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I'm not bitching its more of a mind yo business congress


Do you know who your representative is so you can tell him to tell his colleagues to mind their business?
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:44 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

Don't worry about it. I was just messing with him. I'm sure you're alright though.

:victory:/> Metta World Peace. LOL.

I am not offended or upset or anything, I just found it hillarious the most "understanding" guy on here would use what appears to be a shot at a rather large group of people. We're good. :trink39: :drinks:
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:21 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 May 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Elected officials have no say in how a private corporation runs its business as long as it's doing so within the law.


You might want to research the broad scope of the Commerce Clause.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 May 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

You might want to research the broad scope of the Commerce Clause.



I was also going to post Article II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but I wasn't entirely sure if that qualified in this discussion.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:37 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

I was also going to post Article II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but I wasn't entirely sure if that qualified in this discussion.


My guess would be no since the organization does not actively discriminate based on a protected class. They just have an offensive name.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 May 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

My guess would be no since the organization does not actively discriminate based on a protected class. They just have an offensive name.


Yeah but I was talking about the federal government being able to influence the way a private company conducts its business. I wasn't entirely sure if the gov't could use its powers to influence the way Snyder conducts his business. I figure article II would just prohibit a NFL team from doing something like not selling tickets to Asians because their Asian for example. But if that's the case then I guess it does apply to that discussion, because we were talking about the gov't being able to use it's power to affect the way a private company conducts business. That stuff isn't fresh in my mind anymore.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 May 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Every minority with a lobby? Does that include groups that lobby congress like the NRA or the Sierra Club? Those are minority groups too. The congressman (delegate) from American Samoa (Eni Faleomavaega) is a native of the Samoan peoples which is a territory of the United States of America, thus making him a Native-American. His ancestors were in Samoa long before the USA came there and said this is ours now. Congressman Tom Cole is a member of the Chickasaw nation. Congressman Grijalva's district is near the Yavapai reservation. So some of them make up his constituency. Also Faleomavaega and Elenore Holmes Norton (the D.C. delegate) are NON-VOTING members of congress. Meaning all they can pretty much do is "get on their soapbox" and lobby others to do something. IMO every player and coach should refuse to play for or against the Redskins. But of course the NFLPA is a weak union with indifferent and undereducated membership. So that's not going to happen. Most of us (fans) don't even know a Native-American let alone care about them (just look at how we ignore the fact that the merchandise we buy is made by Asian slave labor). Out of site, out of mind. So there is not going to be a fan boycott of the Redskins or the NFL. So the things that would send a strong message won't happen because the majority of NFL fans (people who aren't and don't know any Native-Americans) aren't going to send that strong message. The majority (us non-Native-Americans) aren't doing anything to change a wrong, so what is the minority to do? What other recourse do they have to voice their views on this Redskins name issue? I guess express those views to their elected officials? People like Faleomavaega, Cole, Grijalva, and Norton for instance. But I guess you're right we (the USA) took their land from them, reneged on the treaties we signed with them, committed mass genocide killing off millions of their people, tried to enslave them, and forced them to either assimilate into American culture or live in poverty and die. But if that's not bad enough let's also use a racist slur used to demean them, all so an already rich man can make even more money because he doesn't want to change his strong "brand." That's the most fucked up argument a person can make to keep that ridiculous name. f*** his "brand." I bet if when Snyder bought that team and their name were the "Washington Kikes" he (a Jewish person) would have changed that name on day one of his ownership. That's why I don't buy that "keeping the brand name" argument. It doesn't slur him or his people, or the majority of the NFL's fanbase. So that's why he won't change it even though he knows it's racist.


I skimmed through this giant block of shit that you wrote and here's what I think: it took a strong black person in every sport to stand up to the injustice of the time. Right? Even before the Jackie Robinsons and the Chuck Coopers, there was a movement within the sport and within the sport communities that let you know, even a decade ahead of time, that this is not right. Change is coming. How come none of this happens with the Redskins? The Redskins have been around for more than 80 years. In that time span, there have been dozens of Native American players and hundreds of polynesians in the league. How many complained? How many refused to be part of the Redskins because they were offended? There are hundreds more playing DI football, how many have gone on record saying that they wouldn't play for the Redskins? NONE. You know why? Cause it's not the same thing as having a team called the New York Ni99ers. You know how I know? Because if the Jets changed their name to the Ni99ers, no sane black athlete would play for that team and a few would probably try to kill Woody! Would Cam Newton play for the Carolina Coons? How about Russell Wilson getting drafted by the Seattle Porch Monkeys? NO NO and NO!!!! This lobbying efforts by a handful of Congressmen would have you believe that the Redskins are causing a bot of harm to the communities that they represent, but they don't. Polamalu is from American Samoa. He doesn't cut his goddamn dirty hair because it pay an "homage to his ancestry"... but not once did he say that the term "Redskins" is offensive nor did he ever sit out a game against them. That's my barometer for whether this is right or wrong. Not some politician trying to get his name into the papers.

Yes I group all special interests with lobbying power together. I don't care whether they're Native Americans, farmers, oil etc etc it's all detrimental to our nation. Unfortunately, no one cares enough to change how things work so we'll forever be doing the bidding of the guy that's got enough on the line to pay someone to bang their drum for him.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:53 PM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 May 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

You might want to research the broad scope of the Commerce Clause.


Not sure how broad a scope you want me to research. The commerce clause exists so government can keep up with evolving business and industry and take action when an industry starts acting in an unlawful manner. Like the Sherman Anti Trust Act and stopping business from descriminating in the 60s. It cannot stress that a business in a lawful industry not in violation of any laws be forced to change its brand because it's deemed offensive. There's absolutely no precedent for it.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 29 May 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Do you know who your representative is so you can tell him to tell his colleagues to mind their business?


I'd vote for David Wright.
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