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Jets win 3-1. Beat dolphins so bad that philbin isnt allowed back from england.
azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) jets and giants players hang out all the time
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) i'm sure they dont care lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:24 AM) well bills won, we need a win this week to stay inn 2nd
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:25 AM) at least miami is pretty much done but we have to compete with NE and buffalo still
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:26 AM) as santana said, it's probably all in fun. most of these guys in the NFL are friends with players form other teams. I'm sure some jets/giants players are friends with each other
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:31 PM) Vick = $$
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New York Jets, Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez: How Quickly We Forget

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:25 PM


New York Jets, Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez: How Quickly We Forget

COMMENTARY | The New York Jets: Super Bowl contenders. It seems like an anachronism, a joke, a distant memory. Amazing that it was less than two years ago. The Jets, coming off of back-to-back trips to the AFC Championship appearances, one of the most complete teams in the NFL, were heading for shot number three at their first Super Bowl since 1969.

But that was almost two years ago. Now it is 2013, and writers and analysts across the country are competing to see who can have the most pessimistic prediction for the Jets. First it was 7-9 at best, then a repeat of 6-10, then 4-12. Now with the preseason looming, the real crazies are coming out, with predictions like 2-14 or 0-16.

There is nothing quite like mob mentality, and it feeds on itself. If the offseason lasted forever, then without a doubt after a few years of this, we as a nation would all agree that the Jets will go 0-16 and we would all be calling for Geno Smith's retirement before his first snap.

Yet the beauty is that the offseason does not last forever, and that with real games comes reality. And how quickly we forget reality.

... That the Jets Usually Win

How quickly we forget that the Jets win more than they lose. Pessimists often call for more of the same, citing "same old Jets." But if the Jets win the majority of their games, does "same old Jets" mean more wins than losses?

In the Rex Ryan era (since 2009) the Jets are 34-30 in the regular season and 4-2 in the playoffs. The year before Ryan was hired, the Jets went 9-7. If the Jets were to lose 13 games or more (as seems to be the common prediction), it would be the first time since 1996.

Thus, we should at least remember that predicting a 3-13 season is not predicting more of the same but is in fact predicting something radically new.

... That the Jets Were 6-10 Last Season

How quickly we forget that these Jets (that's right, even with Mark Sanchez) won six games last year and were in playoff contention until Week 15. Despite having no Darrelle Revis (injury), no Santonio Holmes (injury) and no Sione Pouha (injury), the team won six games.

Now when citing why the Jets should be worse this year, the common logic is the loss of Revis, the loss of Pouha and the inconsistency of Holmes. But wait. If the team won six games without those guys last year, why would not having them this year mean they should be worse? The Jets have lost nobody who contributed significantly last year (yes, I am counting LaRon Landry). So how could any rationalist expect the team to be worse than last year?

... That Mark Sanchez Does More Than Buttfumble

Anyone who has followed the Jets the past six months knows that it is somewhat obligatory to mention the word "buttfumble" in any Jets-related piece. I think it is at a point now where fans will actually show up to games expecting Sanchez to take a snap and run headfirst into the rear end of whichever offensive lineman he wants to embarrass that day.

How quickly we forget that Mark Sanchez has a winning record as a starter in both the regular season and playoffs. How quickly we forget that he has outplayed both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady head-to-head. Sure, that one play (which did not even matter because the Jets had lost that game anyway) was pretty silly. But acting like it will ever happen again is simply foolish.

And how quickly we forget that Sanchez was the starter last year and had his worst year. What we learned in 2012 is that no matter how awful Sanchez plays, the Jets can still win six games. Six games is their absolute floor, because with Sanchez having a terrible season (the worst of his career by far) the rest of the team still managed to pull out six victories.

... That Rex Ryan is a Defensive Genius

How quickly we forget that as long as Rex Ryan is the head coach of the Jets, they will field a smart, strong, vicious, proud and unpredictable defense that will terrorize opposing offenses. With huge new pick-ups this year in Sheldon Richardson, Dee Milliner, Antwan Barnes and Antonio Garay to go along with quality veterans like Muhammad Wilkerson, David Harris, Kenrick Ellis, Quinton Coples, and Antonio Cromartie, there is no doubt the Jets will once again field an elite defense.

My conclusion is the only logical one. This team is the same or better in every respect from last year. However terrible your memories of the 2012 Jets might be, that team went 6-10. Thus (with an easier schedule this year to boot), the absolute floor for the Jets is 6-10. A more reasonable prediction would be 8-8 or 9-7.

And this is all assuming Sanchez is still the quarterback. If rookie second-round pick Geno Smith can surprise everyone and take the starter job (and succeed), then the sky is the limit. But if we want to play it safe, we should not expect Smith as a rookie to necessarily be much better than Sanchez.

If you want my prediction, I expect that whoever plays quarterback (either one last year of Sanchez or a learning year for Smith), the Jets will go 8-8. There is room for that to fall as low as 6-10 if things go poorly but also room for the team to have good fortune and go as high as 11-5.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:52 PM

he's way more optimistic then i am lol. also this years schedule on paper looks tougher then last year. that should be accounted for as well

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

View PostChaos, on 10 July 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

I would be cool if they win less games than last year as long as they quit embarrassing themselves, play hard each week, and make forward progress showing us loyal fans that we are on the way back up (hopefully for a good while)

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:14 AM

this team was good 3-4 years ago...FIRE IDZIK
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