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azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) jets and giants players hang out all the time
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) i'm sure they dont care lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:24 AM) well bills won, we need a win this week to stay inn 2nd
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:25 AM) at least miami is pretty much done but we have to compete with NE and buffalo still
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:26 AM) as santana said, it's probably all in fun. most of these guys in the NFL are friends with players form other teams. I'm sure some jets/giants players are friends with each other
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Jets Feel Chris Ivory Can Get Offense Running

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:15 PM


CORTLAND — Chris Ivory stood in the rain on Thursday without any worry that his troublesome hamstring that has kept him out of team drills during the first week of Jets practice will be fine.
Patience is a part of his DNA. So, he’s not sweating it.
“I have real high expectations,” Ivory told the Daily News. “Once I get out there, I’ll open some more eyes.”
Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg has the unenviable task of resurrecting one of the most anemic offenses in the league from last season. His well-chronicled penchant for airing it out masks the fact that Ivory, more than anyone not named (INSERT STARTING QUARTERBACK HERE), must be the engine for the offense to flourish.
To that end, the Jets’ presumed backfield-by-committee may be more streamlined than you think. The hope is that Ivory, who has shown flashes of greatness in limited snaps during his first three seasons with the Saints, can become a three-down back, a rarity in this specialized era. “I think with a back with that skill set, you definitely want to work toward that progression,” said assistant head coach Anthony Lynn, who is in charge of running backs. “So if you needed him out there for blocking purposes or receiving purposes, you could use him.”
Mornhinweg’s pass-heavy reputation, ironically, is built on a foundation of efficiency on the ground.
The Eagles ranked first, third and seventh in yards per carry in the NFC the last three seasons under Mornhinweg. LeSean McCoy, who averaged 55 receptions and 397 receiving yards in four years with Mornhinweg, was a dual-threat centerpiece in Philadelphia’s pass-friendly scheme.
In a perfect world, Ivory, who only has 256 career regular-season carries, would provide that type of versatility this season.
“It’s not a challenge,” said Ivory, who has averaged 5.1 yards per carry in his career. “I know I’m capable of it. Once I’m healthy, I know all those things will fall in place . . . and everybody will see the three-down back that I am.”
Ivory’s self-confidence notwithstanding, there are fair questions about whether a player with three career receptions for 32 yards in 26 games can provide that critical dimension in Mornhinweg’s West Coast system. The Jets haven’t pigeonholed Ivory, even though he has run a pass route only 78 times with five targets in his career, according to Pro Football Focus.
Eagles running backs were targeted on 16.4% of their pass plays last season (roughly the same as the Jets), but Mornhinweg’s system includes concepts that allow quarterbacks to look for pass catchers out of the backfield more often.
“More of the progressions are designed to look at the back,” Lynn said of the difference from last year’s system, which produced just 44 catches for 341 yards from running backs.

The Saints’ plethora of pass catchers turned Ivory into a predictable piece of their high-octane puzzle. New Orleans ran the ball 77% of the time he was on the field.

The Jets have other viable receiving options out of the backfield, such as Bilal Powell, Joe McKnight and Mike Goodson, whose legal and personal issues have clouded his future with the team. But Mornhinweg and Lynn believe that Ivory is more than capable of filling that role, too. He impressed with his catching ability during the Jets’ offseason program.
“Ivory catches well,” Lynn said. “Just because they didn’t throw it to him doesn’t mean he can’t catch. . . . We’ll definitely use him. I don’t know if he’s dropped a ball since he’s been here. He’s showing nothing but natural hands.”

The biggest unknown is Ivory’s ability to pick up blitzes, which won’t reveal itself until he gets back on the field.
“I thought it would be progressing a little bit better than it has,” Rex Ryan said of Ivory and his hamstring tightness. “Hopefully, it’s just a matter of time before he gets back out there. Because we all want to see him.”
Last year, Powell was the Jets’ best back in pass protection, which gives him an edge to assume the third-down role (if Goodson is out of the picture).

Ivory’s primary value will come on first and second downs as a physical, yet elusive runner. The 6-0, 222-pound Ivory, who was acquired for a fourth-round pick in a draft-day deal, is an upgrade from the departed Shonn Greene, but he will have to stay healthy after dealing with knee, foot and hamstring issues in recent years.
“I’m mindful of it,” the 25-year-old Ivory said of finding a balance between being a physical runner and preserving his body. “It just depends on the down and situation. If we got third-and-3, I’m going (all-out).”
Ryan says that the Jets have a “receiver-friendly, tailback-friendly and quarterback-friendly” system, but it’ll be imperative to have a very productive running back to give his team a chance.
Ivory, marginalized last season in a crowded backfield that included underachieving first-round pick Mark Ingram, is a man of few words. But he’s seething inside.
“I just had to be patient,” Ivory said. “I had to deal with it and wait my turn. But it was hard.”
He paused and smiled.
“It was very hard.”

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