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azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) jets and giants players hang out all the time
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) i'm sure they dont care lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:24 AM) well bills won, we need a win this week to stay inn 2nd
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:25 AM) at least miami is pretty much done but we have to compete with NE and buffalo still
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:26 AM) as santana said, it's probably all in fun. most of these guys in the NFL are friends with players form other teams. I'm sure some jets/giants players are friends with each other
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:31 PM) Vick = $$
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32 Teams in 32 Days: NY Jets
Gordon McGuinness | August 19, 2013

It’s hard to imagine that this is the same franchise that went to back-to-back AFC Championship games in 2009 and 2010. Yet the very same New York Jets come into the 2013 season off the back of 6-10 year which was more memorable for the farcical play and handling of a quarterback situation that seemed to ruin the rare moments when they looked to be building any kind of momentum in games.

Head Coach Rex Ryan knows that he needs to take the team forward this year if he wants to stick around in New York but he faces plenty of challenges as he attempts to level the wings. The quarterback position is once again under scrutiny but the team does still have enough bright spots for fans to be encouraged by. With that in mind, let’s take a look at the reasons for Jets fans to be confident, and concerned, in this upcoming campaign.

Reasons to be Confident

1. Improvements at Running Back?

The first good news for Jets fans at the running back position was the subtraction of Shonn Greene, who departed for Tennessee during Free Agency. His 11.7 Elusive Rating was the lowest among all running backs with enough qualifying snaps. That highlights just how little he did beyond the work of his offensive line, which performed particularly well in 2012. The team added two players who have shown their ability in that regard in Mike Goodson and Chris Ivory. Goodson’s future with the team isn’t necessarily secure with his off-the-field troubles already causing him problems in New York. In limited action in Oakland a year ago he showed he could be a difference maker on the field. Likewise for Ivory who, despite injury concerns, has Jets fans excited about what he can bring to the offense in New York. He forced 12 missed tackles on just 40 carries and averaged a somewhat ridiculous 4.73 Yards After Contact Per Carry in New Orleans in 2012.

2. Muhammad Wilkerson

Jets defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson has received plenty of hype in the weeks leading up to the 2013 preseason, with many believing he’s primed for a breakout year this coming season. The truth, however, is that he broke out in 2012, finishing the year with the second highest grade (+49.1) we’ve ever given to a 3-4 defensive end. Had it not been for Houston’s J.J. Watt re-writing the rules on what to expect for a player at the position, Wilkerson would have likely gotten more credit for what was a fantastic season. He finished the year with 54 defensive stops, 13 more than any 3-4 defensive end not named Watt. We may disagree on whether or not this year will be a breakout or not, but we fully expect a fantastic season from the best player on the Jets roster in 2013.

3. Cromartie Stepping Up

While the loss of Revis definitely hurts the Jets, more on that later, the significance of the loss is lessened by how well Antonio Cromartie (+10.0) has played in recent times. Up and down for much of his career, he heads into 2013 coming off his best season, allowing just 46% of the 87 passes thrown into his coverage to be completed in 2012. He finished 2012 allowing a quarterback rating of just 69.7 on those 87 throws, breaking up 12 passes and picking off another three along the way. There are plenty of areas to be concerned about on the Jets roster this year, but they’ll be confident in the abilities of their top cornerback.

4. Consistency from D’Brickashaw

Consistency isn’t a word that’s been used to describe the Jets often in recent times, at least not in a positive sense, but D’Brickashaw Ferguson has consistently been among the best left tackles in the league. The lowest he’s graded over a season in the PFF era is +12.2 and that was a “down year” for the former fourth overall draft pick, with three seasons where he has finished the year graded at +30.0 or higher. He doesn’t wow you with his run blocking, but as a pass blocker he has given the Jets quarterbacks, as bad as they have been, ample time from pass rushers trying to get past him. Whoever the Jets opt for under center in 2013 will go into the year knowing they can rely on Ferguson to keep them safe on the field.

5. Youth Brings Hope

It probably says a lot about where the Jets are headed this season but one of the most exciting things to watch about the team is how their prominent youngsters play this coming season. Their top two draft picks, defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson and Dee Milliner looked solid, if unspectacular, in their preseason debuts a week ago. Second year man Quinton Coples showed flashes as a rookie and, even though we were told he’d be moving to outside linebacker, he still played with his hand in the dirt more in the preseason opener. Add in the excitement around a high draft pick being spent on a rookie quarterback in Geno Smith and you can see why fans are beginning to hope again after a rough couple of seasons.

Reasons to be Concerned

1. Mark Sanchez

While there is optimism surrounding Smith arriving in New York, the same can’t be said for the continued presence of Mark Sanchez. It’s at that stage now, and has been for a while to be fair, where it’s difficult to understand why he’s still in the mix for a starting job, considering how bad he has been. He’s been in the league for four years and has a cumulative PFF grade of (-80.1) in that time, while his best season saw him grade out at a meager -7.2! There are certain mistakes that teams can live with from young quarterbacks, for some of them its part of the process they go through as they develop but this has gone on for four years now. Four years down the line and we still see the same mistakes from Sanchez. It looked as if the team was at least looking to replace him both short term and long term when they added David Garrard in free agency before drafting Smith, but that was ruined by Garrard’s injuries proving too much for him to come back from. Now they are left with the options of starting a second round rookie or rolling the dice on Sanchez again when they already know which side it will land on.

2. The Loss of Revis

We touched earlier on how the play of Cromartie has lessened the loss of star cornerback Darrelle Revis however, as much as his play can limit the loss, the fact can’t be avoided is that losing one of the best players in football hurts the Jets this year. Maybe it was the right time given the circumstances, and they were at least able to recoup significant draft picks in the deal that sent him to Tampa Bay, but we all know just how good a player Revis was before his injury. Provided he can return to that form, and unless Milliner can become a great player quickly, this one is going to leave a bitter taste in the mouths of Jets fans for some time yet.

3. Targets on Offense?

While it’s bad enough to have Sanchez potentially under center again, it’s even worse when you look at who he’ll be throwing the ball to. Santonio Holmes, the team’s best receiver, missed all but four games in 2012 and his status for the beginning of this coming season is still in question. Second year man Stephen Hill got fans excited with two touchdowns and 89 yards in the season opener against the Buffalo Bills last year but proceeded to add just one touchdown the rest of the year while dropping six of the 46 passes thrown his way. Braylon Edwards returned to New York late last year but hasn’t shown anything to get even remotely excited about since 2010, so it all adds up to a pretty concerning Jets passing game as we head towards the season opener.

4. Replacing the Grinders

Given the circus that has been the New York Jets in the Rex Ryan era, it’s not surprising that players like Brandon Moore and Mike DeVito weren’t recognized more, but with both gone, their absence will likely be noticeable. Moore was one of the league’s best guards for a number of years and, despite still playing at a high level, opted to retire and go out on his terms. DeVito on the other hand, headed for Kansas City in Free Agency, taking with him his 27 defensive stops in 2012. Never a flashy player, DeVito has been a solid member of that defense since his arrival and the Jets may find his steady production harder to replace than they’d like to admit.

5. The New England Patriots and Company

It’s the same for every team other team in the AFC East, with all three heading into the season knowing that, once again, the New England Patriots are the team to beat in the division. They may not be without their issues, the receiver position in particular coming under increasing scrutiny just now, but as long as they have Tom Brady at the helm they seem to be a Super Bowl contender. Adding to that steady headache are the improvements made by the Bills and the Miami Dolphins and suddenly the Jets are fighting to avoid landing at the basement of the division again. There aren’t any easy division in the NFL, but once again the specter of New England looms large in the East and the Jets know they’ll face a tough battle to unseat them as division champions.

What to Expect

There’s no denying that the Jets have added players worth getting excited about to their roster this offseason but there are no guarantees that they’ll find themselves better off come the season’s end. The role players that have arrived all have the potential to improve the team but it all comes down to what they have at the quarterback position.

Smith is an unknown quality and, however unlikely it may be, should he have the type of season we saw from the top rookie quarterbacks a year ago, the Jets would likely find themselves contending for a playoff spot. That’s a big ask however and, if Sanchez winds up getting the nod again, expect the Jets defense to keep them close only for them to lose plenty of games off the back of his mistakes.


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