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Jets win 3-1. Beat dolphins so bad that philbin isnt allowed back from england.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:50 PM) 4 turnovers and a Punt return TD
MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:58 PM) If fitz can be smart with the ball and Marshall Decker and Ivory and stay healthy I think we can beat anyone
santana Icon : (05 October 2015 - 02:36 PM) http://www.sun-senti...1005-story.html
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:16 PM) I get it to a point why everyone is making a big deal about that missed call because difference between a win and a loss but I have never seen that call made in over 30 years of watching NFL so I guarantee that none of the fans , coaches or players new the rule. Yes the refs should know all the rules but they aren't computers and it's impossible for them to remember all the 1000's of rules. Especially an old rule no one but the officials ever heard of before. 22 new officials didn't help either. It took an old long time official now retired from officiating to tell the world the rule. Everyone and the officials will remember that rule from now on after all the media
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) Lions fans are b*tching like hell about it. We would be if it happened to us but I think it's a bad rule any way and should be scrapped. If the defense causes the offensive player to fumble in the end zone because the defense makes a good play I personally think it would be bullshit to give the fumbling team the ball back. If the ball went out of bounds on its own or if a player tried to recover it and the ball went out of the end zone it's not a penalty. Both cases are a touchback so I feel that giving the ball back to the offense that fumbled it because of the defense batting the ball out of the end zone if the offense recovered the ball it would be a td so it would be bullshit to give them the ball back because of a simple ball bat. Rule should really be changed
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) It's ok for the offense to deliberately take a safety to prevent a TD and only give up 2 points an benefit themselves so yeah I think it is an old out of date rule that should be thrown out. If the d makes a great play they shouldn't have to give the offense the ball back because of a stupid rule
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) So I'm glad it wasn't called
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) Hope it's changed next year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) it's been called a ton of times, they showed a montage o ESPN last night of a bunch of times it's been called
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) just because one player made a great play, doesn't mean you can excuse someone making a bonehead play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) chancellor made a great play (remember when i wanted the jets to draft him?) but the LBer should have not illegally batted it, he could have tried to recover it or body blocked det from recovering.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) Not sure what ESPN you had on ESPN China? I left ESPN on for 2 hours after the game and I never seen this montage you say. I'm calling you out as bullshit. Show me a video of proof
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:38 PM) Even the old ESPN official couldn't remember an instance of it being called. It isn't the same as the offense backing out of the end zone with the ball or being sacked in the end zone for a safety. Completely different rule and situation. I've never seen it called and I watch at least 6 games at a time a week. None of the ESPN announcer players, Ray Lewis, Dilfer, or Young even knew the rule and that's over 20 years of NFL experience. Yet none of them knew or understood the rule until it was explained in detail
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:40 PM) I've never once seen the ball given back to to offense so I challenge you to show me this montage you claim was on. If I didn't see it for two hours I after the game I'm calling bullshit on your end
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:43 PM) Say whatever you want but show me proof or just leave it be because I won't believe you without a bunch of video proof. I have a hell of a memory and if it ever was called maybe once or twice in the past 30 years but no way there is some montage
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:48 PM) Nether coach knew the rule either and they would know more of the rules than the players and fans. If not for a retired official bringing it up it probably would've never even been brought up at all
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:58 PM) I highly questionable is on now and they are even saying no one knew the rule or complained until they were told the rule.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:05 PM) I have seen plenty of games where defenders did knock the ball out of the end zone like the situation last night to prevent any possible touchdown not disputing that because that has happened a good many times. My point is I've never seen a flag thrown for it and the ball given to the offense. It's definitely an obsolete rule that should be thrown out. The NFL has made the rules so offensive friendly these days it's hard to play defense with out calls anymore. That is just one more bullshit rule to help the offense. Take the Jets Dolphins game for instance. Those bullshit pi calls against our defense for clearly uncatchable balls. Pi never should've never been called giving up like 60 yards on two calls and a td that never would've happened. At most they should've been 5 yard holding calls. Never would've been mad if they just called them holding calls.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:06 PM) Anyway I'm tired of all these offense friendly rules these days screwing over the defenses. It's starting to get like non touch flag football for the defenses.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:11 PM) You know it too. Our team has been a defensive team for well over a decade and so many bullshit calls have been called against our defense because of the new offensive friendly rules. So I say screw Detroit. I'm glad it wasn't called and a defense gets a break
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:47 PM



Why Jets can make the playoffs

New York Jets fans have a long history of being jaded when it comes to good starts by their team. This is a natural side effect of seeing campaigns like the 1986 season (started 10-1, didn't win division, lost in AFC divisional playoffs), 2000 season (started 6-1, missed playoffs) and 2008 season (began 8-3 and arguably looked like the best team in the NFL, missed playoffs).

That kind of track record is part of why Gang Green fans may be only cautiously optimistic about the team's 2-1 start in 2013. A rookie quarterback and a dismal recent history may be other reasons. But fans actually should be excited for their team's prospects. A detailed tape and metrics analysis indicates this team is building the foundation for a club that could be a postseason contender -- not just in the near future, but right now.

This support starts with a defense that leads the league in yards per play (4.1) and has some incredible numbers against the run and the pass.

There are many contenders for New York's most impressive defensive aerial stat -- the 6.0 overall yards per attempt, 7.2 vertical YPA (productivity on passes thrown 11 or more yards downfield) and 6.4 stretch vertical YPA (production on attempts 20 or more yards downfield) being among the best of the bunch. For perspective, consider that these figures are appreciably better than the topflight numbers New York posted in these categories last year (6.5 overall YPA, ranked sixth; 8.7 VYPA, ranked second; 9.0 SVYPA, ranked third).

As great as those numbers are, there are two important areas where the Jets pass defense can, and almost certainly will, get better at as the season progresses.

First is Antonio Cromartie's coverage metrics. His 7.5 YPA allowed is a solid number but is appreciably higher than his 5.9 YPA in 2012 that ranked tied for ninth in the league. Cromartie still has shutdown cornerback capabilities and should be able to bring this metric back to its former level.

Second is New York's 0.9 percent in the bad decision rate metric, which gauges how often a quarterback makes a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the defense. Rex Ryan doesn't build his game plan entirely around generating a high BDR the way Dom Capers does, but his defenses historically have been in the 2-2.5 percent mark at season's end. If this platoon's BDR moves up toward that level through the rest of the season and keeps its various YPA marks at or near their current levels, the Jets will be a strong contender for the best pass defense in the NFL.

Their run defense is nearly as strong, as the Jets rank sixth in rushing yards allowed (79.7 per game) and third in rush yards per attempt (3.2). Two key factors are their marks in the good blocking rate and good blocking yards per attempt metrics.

GBR measures how often an offense gives its ball carriers good blocking, which is roughly defined as not allowing the defense to do anything to disrupt a rush attempt. A 50 percent mark is a topflight total from an offensive perspective, a 45 percent mark is average, and anything below 40 percent is considered bad for an offense -- so the Jets defense's 37.6 percent GBR shows just how disruptive it is to opposing offensive lines. That's a nice feather in the defense's cap.

GBYPA gauges how productive a runner is on plays with good blocking. Anything below the 6.0-yard mark is quite an achievement for a defense, and the Jets can currently boast a 5.8-yard total.

These run defense showings are even more notable considering New York's first three games featured matchups against Doug Martin, Stevan Ridley and C.J. Spiller, three of the top running backs in the NFL today.

Meanwhile, the Jets have taken a lot of grief for how they have dealt with their offensive passing game personnel over the past few years, but there are multiple signs indicating the offense is trending in the right direction.

The first sign is the development of quarterback Geno Smith. His 331 passing yards last week were the second-most passing yards ever by a Jets rookie (Ken O'Brien with 351 in 1984).

Smith did this in large part by bringing back the vertical game. According to ESPN Stats & Information, Smith has nine completions of at least 20 yards downfield in his last two games, completing at least four such passes in each. By contrast, former starter Mark Sanchez had one game with four completions of 20-plus yards downfield in his career.

The rookie quarterback has combined this downfield passing prowess with superb decision-making. His 1.8 percent BDR is a huge improvement over Sanchez's 3.1 percent BDR last season (ranked tied for 35th) and, if Smith kept it in that area, would project as a top-10 mark by season's end. To be fair, Smith's numbers are through only three games, but he posted a 1.8 percent BDR at West Virginia last year, so he has a history of effectively protecting the ball.

Wide receiver Stephen Hill has done a superb job of assisting Smith in the long pass department. Hill has notched a ridiculously high 20.4 VYPA on 10 targets and a 23.5 SVYPA on eight targets. This does not look to be an anomaly, since Hill posted excellent numbers in his senior collegiate season that led him to rank first in my analysis of the top 10 wide receivers in the 2012 NFL draft.

He finished first among that group in YPA, height and 40-yard dash time and finished second in VYPA, all of which led to the article's conclusion that "there is every reason to think that Hill could be just as explosive as Georgia Tech predecessor Demaryius Thomas has been." That wasn't the case with Sanchez under center, but it seems to be so with Smith.

Hill has had four vertical passes gain 30-plus yards this season, including one over each of New England's starting cornerbacks. The Jets' offensive issues dovetailed with letting their dominant vertical threat, Braylon Edwards, walk away a couple of seasons ago, but Hill could provide the same utility for this offense in the future.

With this caliber of offensive and defensive weaponry, the Jets have a chance to make the postseason. New York does have a difficult schedule with its share of tough road battles (Atlanta, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Miami) and hard home matchups (New England, New Orleans, Miami), but if it wins three of those seven and four of its other games (at Tennessee, vs. Pittsburgh, at Buffalo, vs. Oakland, at Carolina, vs. Cleveland), that would equal nine wins. That is a victory total that may be good enough to make it to the postseason.

Even if the Jets fall short of this year's playoffs, they seem to be building a foundation for playoff contention for the next few years.


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