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ROBJETS Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:20 PM) Either way yeah this team sucks. No playoffs for us. It's hard to blame Fitz though. He touched it out after having surgery and said his thumb hurts far worse than before the surgery. Plus the online was shit and he kept getting hit so it's hard to make Fitz a dud this week
ROBJETS Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:20 PM) Fitz was under tremendous pressure all game
ROBJETS Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:21 PM) If Fitz had good protection he would've made better throws. Also Marshall dropped a lot of easy catches
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:23 PM) f***........................
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:23 PM) I HATE THIS
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:24 PM) Dolphins looking to take us out next week also
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:24 PM) I think Mangold has a broken wrist
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:34 PM) Jets 4th loss by 7 points or less. I all 4 of them the jets had the Ball with under 2 mins to go with a chance to tie or win the game
santana Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:35 PM) noooooooo
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:36 PM) yessssssssssssssss
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:53 PM) So now we have to pull for the Pats against the Bills to stay even with them
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:53 PM) BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 04:54 PM) Hate my life
vjdbbq Icon : (22 November 2015 - 06:11 PM) SLIDE YOU f*** HEAD SLIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vjdbbq Icon : (22 November 2015 - 06:11 PM) I don't want to see Geno !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 November 2015 - 11:42 PM) Report is mangold has a severe cut on his hand
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 02:12 AM) Jets playoff hopes are seriously on the edge of going down the drain with all the close records, tie breakers and better division win %.Steelers and Chiefs are prime for the 2 wild card spots. Jets pretty much need to run the table at this point for even a shot at a wildcard.
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 02:14 AM) Sucks big time after the season started so promising. 4-1 to total implosion. It sucks even more because we are so used to it we expect it every year now.
vjdbbq Icon : (23 November 2015 - 08:52 AM) Nice ass rob
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 November 2015 - 12:31 PM) Jets cut copels today
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 November 2015 - 12:32 PM) Coples
NJAzrael71 Icon : (23 November 2015 - 01:24 PM) Scott20119.....how about you go troll and spam some other site? Spammers can go f*** themselves.
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:39 PM) vjdbbq you have some serious metal and IQ issues. Why dont you go back to your old ways of never posting when you had only 5 or 6 posts since your join date in 07.
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:39 PM) mental
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:49 PM) Thanks for the news MGG. If the FO didn't try to shop him before the trade deadline it was stupid because releasing him now they get nothing. Maybe no one would've traded but if so even a 6th or 7th round draft pick or someone the team might be able to use would've been better than nothing
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 05:51 PM) He sucked this year but did have a career best 6.5 sacks in 2014 so a team change might work out for him.
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) Couples will land on the Bills when Rex grabs him off waivers
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 07:37 PM) in the mean time does anyone think we would have a better record under Rex with this same team?
ROBJETS Icon : (23 November 2015 - 07:53 PM) Couples....it wouldn't surprise me and .....with Rex its hard to tell. His defensive scheming may be the best in football but this team has had a lot of injuries on both sides of the ball which has absolutely cost the team at least 3 games ......so as far as better record. it would be simply an opinion. Bowles has done a good job so I have no problems with him other than time out usage. That said I feel rex got a bad rap because he never had a qb even on Fitz caliber and Fitz is just average. But that is in the past so no sense even debating about it now. Rex is with a new team and we finally have a qb who doesn't completely suck. Still wish we had a true high level franchise qb though.
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:34 PM) Watching the game and I am finding myself yelling at the bills offensive playcalling
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:34 PM) Just stipupidity
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:35 PM) run the ball every time on first and second with zero sucess
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:36 PM) Out D is no where near as good as it should be under Bowles. I'm not sure why. I guess it's easy to blame Bowles but the bend and don't break philosophy isn't working
azjetfan Icon : (23 November 2015 - 09:39 PM) They should ban that pick play.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 November 2015 - 11:54 PM) As bad as we have played lately we are still a better coached team without Rex. Rex still has no clue how to manage the clock
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:03 AM) See. Can't manage the clock
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 08:05 AM) Hello Rob
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 08:06 AM) They cut coples to save money in case he got hurt practicing since he hardly played ; a business move .
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:58 PM) our D was better with shit CBs last year. rex is just better at calling a defense then bowles
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:58 PM) hopefully milliner comes back. where has mcdougle been? revis hurt and cro hurt
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:37 PM) coples picked up by miami. we play him on sunday now lol
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:08 PM) We need a real edge rusher
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:08 PM) We are gonna trade Richardson or Wilkerson after this season, hopefully we can then get a edge rusher to compliment them
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:10 PM) I never wanted the Jets to draft Coples, he was clearly going to be a bust
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:10 PM) hes not athletic enough for OLB either, doesn't have enough fluidity in the hips. He can be a decent player, but he needs to be a interior pass rusher
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After Week 5, Sheldon Richardson leads a deep class of good rookies
Updated: October 10, 2013, 12:29 PM ET
By Mel Kiper Jr. | ESPN Inside

I gave the Jets a good grade in my 2013 NFL draft grades, but I heard a lot of questions about their strategy. People asked about things such as why no quarterback was taken in Round 1, why there was no skill-position talent like WR Tavon Austin (who was drafted by the Rams), and why no new tight end was selected. My conclusion was, "I still think they deserve a pretty good grade for hitting a few big needs. Now, they need to be patient with QB Geno Smith."

And the Jets did hit big needs. But it turns out they couldn't afford to be patient with Smith. The good news is, he continues to rise in my Rookie Rankings, and an efficient 16-of-20, three-touchdown performance on "Monday Night Football' shows another stage in his progression.

But they still better be patient. A few reminders about how I approach on the rankings:

The rankings reflect play over the whole season, not just the previous Sunday.
Positional value matters, but overall performance and impact on the team matter more.
I'm asking: Would this player be a starter on most teams? (I think that hurts QBs some).
Total snap count matters. Great plays matter, but staying on the field is important.

With those rules in place, let's jump into the rankings after Week 5. There are 21 players listed in all.


1. Sheldon Richardson, DT, New York Jets
So far, the Jets lead all NFL teams in run defense, allowing just 3.0 yards per carry, and Richardson is one of the main reasons why. He's been consistently disruptive, showing tremendous quickness and athleticism, eliminating the chance for blockers to move him and then getting to the second level. I also like his versatility -- we've even seen him line up as a fullback on offense down near the goal line. So far, the first interior lineman taken in the draft has lived up to the billing. He also has 2.5 sacks.


2. Kiko Alonso, ILB, Buffalo
Love his production, fiery approach and the number of impact plays he's been able to make. For instance, Alonso is tied for the NFL lead in interceptions (four) but is also leading the Bills in tackles with 44 (he also has a sack). He's one of the best pure athletes (if not the best) of any inside linebacker in the NFL right now. The key with Alonso is that because of his versatility, he never has to come off the field.


3. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans
I'm giving him some bonus points, because while he's made his share of mistakes and taken some poor angles, he is staying on the field and has helped the Saints orchestrate one of the great defensive turnarounds we've seen in recent years (assuming they can keep this up). Vaccaro isn't asked to do much against the run but is instead playing a lot of deep patrol. Still, he's second on the team in tackles and has recorded a sack and an interception. While he was beaten deep late in the game on Sunday against Chicago, his overall performance through the first five games has been strong.


4. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, Detroit
He leads the Lions' defense with 3.5 sacks and is quickly becoming a fear factor-type player because the offensive always has to account for him. That said, his best work hasn't even been done as a pass-rusher -- he's been good against the run, too. His pass rush is inconsistent, but he just needs to learn. He's only going to get better with more experience; despite his age (24), he hasn't played much football yet.


5. Geno Smith, QB, New York Jets

He has had ups and down and has turned the ball over too much, but that's what you expect from a rookie. However, he's shown poise, has never lost his confidence, is gaining respect from his teammates, and has come through in the clutch, rallying the Jets with two late fourth-quarter drives to pull out victories against Tampa Bay and Atlanta. The Atlanta victory, in particular, was a signature win because his late play was just the icing on top of a performance with great statistical efficiency. And let's remember: He's operating without a top-flight supporting cast, yet has been able to show nice progress. He's mixed a good deep ball with savvy as a scrambler.


6. Giovani Bernard, RB, Cincinnati
He's been a key element in their big wins against Green Bay and New England, displaying the all-purpose talents that make him so valuable. When the Bengals drafted him, we knew a big reason why was because they wanted a back they could throw to. Bernard is currently leading the Bengals with a 4.6-yard average per carry, but he's also hauled in 14 receptions for a 9.2-yard average.


7. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland
He didn't record a sack against Buffalo in his most recent game, but Mingo turned in a solid performance, and he is improving after missing much of the preseason. He recorded a sack in each of the three previous games, showcasing cat-like quickness and a sustained intensity level. Mingo is still more athlete than polished pass-rusher, but he could have a big second half of the season, because once he learns to counter more off his initial quickness, he's going to be really difficult to block.


8. Larry Warford, OG, Detroit
Although I didn't grade him out as high this past week against Green Bay as in the four previous games, Warford has done a very solid job overall for the Lions. He doesn't give up any inside pressure in the passing game, and he can get a push in the run game, with the power to move defenders. He'll get better, and he's off to a great start.


9. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina
He drops some just because he hasn't been on the field as much as some others, but he also got to sit a lot during a blowout win against the Giants, and Carolina has already had a bye. During the 150 snaps he's seen so far, Lotulelei has proven to be the block-occupying run-stopper he was drafted to be. Carolina is allowing just 3.6 yards per carry, a clear improvement from last season, and Lotulelei is a big reason why.


10. Tyrann Mathieu, S, Arizona
He has a knack for impacting a game in a very positive way. His instincts are top-notch. Against Carolina on Sunday, he recorded five tackles (all solo) and also made his presence felt behind the line of scrimmage. He had a sack, a tackle for loss, and a pair of QB hits. He's stayed on the field regardless of down and distance, is second on the team in tackles, and can play either deep or close to the line. So far, the Honey Badger looks like a third-round steal.


11. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Houston
Two weeks ago he was the top rookie here, but he's cooled off some the past two weeks, with just four total catches for 50 total yards. He'll need to find a way to create more space against good defenses, which is what he saw against Seattle and San Francisco. He has 22 catches and 293 yards so far, and has the skill level to become a Pro Bowl player.


12. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco
He dropped an easy interception against Houston but played very well overall. He's fourth on the team in tackles, has a pair of INTs, and is another young safety who doesn't come off the field. The 49ers moved up to draft him out of LSU, and they clearly had big plans for him when they did.


13. Alec Ogletree, OLB, St. Louis
I'd like to see more game-changing plays from a player with his talent and explosiveness, but you can't deny the fact that he's been around the ball. He's tied with James Laurinaitis for the team lead with 36 tackles (32 of Ogletree's have been solo tackles). The key for Ogletree is pursuit and fundamentals. He can overpursue and fail to get into good position for tackles, which is why he's missed more than a handful. But he'll get better.


14. Kenbrell Thompkins, WR, New England
He's had a few drops along the way, but the undrafted free-agent find out of Cincinnati is second on the team with 18 catches for a 15.2-yard average, and he leads the team with three TD receptions. I'm actually giving Thompkins a little more credit than his numbers might imply, based on his targets. Tom Brady has thrown to him 44 times, and the tape shows that Thompkins can create space to get those targets. He just needs to haul in a few more of them.


15. Terrance Williams, WR, Dallas
After a messy start to the season, he's been really coming on of late, and he could be a star of the not-too-distant future if he becomes a little more consistent. Over the past two games, he has 11 catches for 222 yards. Tony Romo is warming up to the rookie now that Williams has a better idea of where he's supposed to be on the field.

Next up

Andre Ellington, RB, Arizona -- Averaging 6.7 yards per carry, and is a factor in the passing game.
Travis Frederick, C, Dallas -- Has been strong after some early struggles. And he's healthy.
D.J. Fluker, RT, San Diego -- Has held up well as a pass-blocker, though his rep is as powerful run-blocker.
Robert Woods, WR, Buffalo -- Had chemistry with EJ Manuel. Will he get targets now that Manuel is injured?
John Jenkins, DT, New Orleans -- Overshadowed but effective on the revamped defense.
Kawann Short, DT, Carolina -- Needs more playing time, because he gets to the QB when he's on the field.

"I'm glad that the Gillette field was soft and messy
since I spent so much time down on it."-Tom Brady


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