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Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
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25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
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31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
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2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
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Dee Millner First Round Bust!!?

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:20 PM

So far this year Dee Millner has shown he is not a first round pick. A player who seems to get hurt a lot and is quite fragile . When on the field, is getting beat often! Rex benching him twice. Dont know of any other player who is getting benched as much as much as him. He is not the answer. What are your thoughts?
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

bum for a 1st rd pick. he and kyle Wilson don't reflect 1st rd talent.
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 09:14 PM

It's been eight games and he's a corner back. It'll take some time. Everyone needs to calm down about judging rookies so soon. Some catch on fast and some do not. Give him at least a season before stamping him a bust.
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:33 PM

View Postjet-man, on 27 October 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

bum for a 1st rd pick. he and kyle Wilson don't reflect 1st rd talent.

Milliner is a rookie. He deserves another year before classifying him a bust. Wilson is a total bust and needs to be cut. He is a total liability. Anyone that says difference needs to accept the fact that Wilson has constantly dropped in the depth chart every year. He is pretty much only used in the nickle and doesn't even do that well. He is 5th or 6th on the secondary depth chart and cant go any lower. Basically Wilson`s another Lowery if not worse. He has only lasted this long because he is cheap.


And by the way @shrekman1..... :sterb041:/>/>/>/> Spelling police here......... the man plays for your team please spell his name right...."Common Man"!

Its Milliner not Millner.


Just having fun with you man.
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:16 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 27 October 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

Milliner is a rookie. He deserves another year before classifying him a bust. Wilson is a total bust and needs to be cut. He is a total liability. Anyone that says difference needs to accept the fact that Wilson has constantly dropped in the depth chart every year. He is pretty much only used in the nickle and doesn't even do that well. He is 5th or 6th on the secondary depth chart and cant go any lower. Basically Wilson`s another Lowery if not worse. He has only lasted this long because he is cheap.


And by the way @shrekman1..... Posted Image/>/>/>/> Spelling police here......... the man plays for your team please spell his name right...."Common Man"!

Its Milliner not Millner.


Just having fun with you man.


I gave up on correcting people a long time ago. It's sad people can't even take the time to spell the players name but there's far too many people doing it to care anymore.

As for Dee, it's clearly a massive learning curve for the fella. Can't jump to conclusions yet but he's definitely going to need to improve later in the year and over the off-season. Pitiful display.
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:39 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 28 October 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

I gave up on correcting people a long time ago. It's sad people can't even take the time to spell the players name but there's far too many people doing it to care anymore.


I find it sad we seem to care so much about it on a casual internet forum. :trink39:

View PostJetsman05, on 28 October 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

As for Dee, it's clearly a massive learning curve for the fella. Can't jump to conclusions yet but he's definitely going to need to improve later in the year and over the off-season. Pitiful display.


Normaly I give guys at least a year before calling them a bust. But this guy has not shown much. I am really concerned we used a high pick on him over another skill position. I hope he pulls it together, but I don't think he will. Hopefully I am wrong.
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 10:05 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 27 October 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

Milliner is a rookie. He deserves another year before classifying him a bust. Wilson is a total bust and needs to be cut. He is a total liability. Anyone that says difference needs to accept the fact that Wilson has constantly dropped in the depth chart every year. He is pretty much only used in the nickle and doesn't even do that well. He is 5th or 6th on the secondary depth chart and cant go any lower. Basically Wilson`s another Lowery if not worse. He has only lasted this long because he is cheap.


And by the way @shrekman1..... Posted Image/>/>/>/> Spelling police here......... the man plays for your team please spell his name right...."Common Man"!

Its Milliner not Millner.


Just having fun with you man.




Sorry about the typo. Funning how I forgot the "I." No I in team. Anyway the subject matter is "Milliner" not my lack of computer skills. lol While he is a rookie, there is no steady improvement week to week. If there was I don't think Rex would be pulling this guy so quickly. I also believe this player is fragile. Not built to hit or tackle.. Hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't look that way
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 11:19 AM

Its too early to call him a bust, and CB is probably the hardest position for a college player to transition to in the NFL. Its not looking good right now, but there is still time. Draft picks should be judged after 3 years.

But its not just Milliner. Cromartie has been awful this season, injured or not hes been terrible. Luckily we can get out of that contract after the season and save $9.5 mil. This is basically a contract season for him and hes playing awful.


Our psas defense has allowed 15 TD and has only 3 INTs. This might be the worst season for a REx Ryan defense against the pass. If I were the Jets, I would try to sign Jarius Byrd this offseason, get a playmaking FS for the team.
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:58 PM

Hes a bust and cromartie is a bum
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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:26 PM

I'm stealing this post from another board.

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Below are the CB's first 4 games their rookie season and season totals

Milliner:
Game 1: 4 receptions, 9 times thrown at, 65 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 2: 2 rec, 7 thrown at, 46 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 3: 6 rec, 12 thrown at, 52 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Game 4: 4 rec, 5 thrown at, 108 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Total (5 games): 16 receptions, 35 times thrown at, 45.7% completion %, 271 yards allowed, 16.9 yds per completion, 3 TD, 0 INT, 101.0 QB rating against

Patrick Peterson
Game 1: 7 receptions, 9 times thrown at, 110 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 2: 5 rec, 5 thrown at, 66 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 3: 1 rec, 2 thrown at, 6 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Game 4: 7 rec, 10 thrown at, 94 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Total: 67 receptions, 113 times thrown at, 59.3% completion %, 869 yards allowed, 13.0 yds per completion, 3 TD, 2 INT, 85.0 QB rating against
Notes: Pretty poor numbers for the entire year, didn't seem to improve too much the 2nd half the season

Kareem Jackson
Game 1: 5 receptions, 11 times thrown at, 61 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
Game 2: 7 rec, 8 thrown at, 100 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Game 3: 6 rec, 7 thrown at, 100 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 4: 2 rec, 5 thrown at, 17 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Game 5: 9 rec, 12 thrown at, 148 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Total: 57 receptions, 86 times thrown at, 66.3% completion %, 924 yards allowed, 16.2 yds per completion, 5 TD, 2 INT, 111.8 QB rating against
Notes: I added in his 5th game above. He struggled his first 2 seasons in the NFL, not just his rookie season. Not an elite CB, but certainly a pretty good one right now.

Vontae Davis
Game 1: 4 receptions, 7 times thrown at, 91 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
Game 2: 6 rec, 9 thrown at, 125 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Game 3: 1 rec, 2 thrown at, 17 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Game 4: 7 rec, 10 thrown at, 88 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Total: 49 receptions, 77 times thrown at, 63.6% completion %, 893 yards allowed, 18.2 yds per completion, 7 TD, 4 INT, 112.1 QB rating against
Notes: I used the first 4 games that he started rather than played, since he played in his teams first 6 games but not a lot of snaps, he started from game 7 on.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Game 1: 5 receptions, 5 times thrown at, 39 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT
Game 2: 2 rec, 4 thrown at, 94 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 3: 5 rec, 7 thrown at, 47 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Game 4: 2 rec, 6 thrown at, 17 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Total: 46 receptions, 79 times thrown at, 58.2% completion %, 585 yards allowed, 12.9 yds per completion, 7 TD, 4 INT, 90.4 QB rating against

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