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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

I know it's early. But has anyone seen ANY growth from him? He makes the same bonehead mistakes every week and I just haven't seen any kind of growth. Thoughts?
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:55 PM

I've seen him get worse. 1 TD 8 INT in the past 5 games. He is lost out there, I would bench him and start Simms at this point. I have serious doubts about Geno as our future QB. If this team had steady QB play, we would run away with the WC spot.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:04 PM

There's no doubt that he's struggling to say the least. As soon as he throws the first INT in a game, we all know he's destined to throw at least one more. 10 games into his rookie season is too soon however to call him a bust. As stated before......Peyton Manning threw 28 in his rookie season. The alternative at this point is what? Start Matt Simms and then start over with next year's draft and basically call this one quits even though we're still the 6 seed for the playoffs at this point? Benching Geno would / could do more harm than good.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 17 November 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

There's no doubt that he's struggling to say the least. As soon as he throws the first INT in a game, we all know he's destined to throw at least one more. 10 games into his rookie season is too soon however to call him a bust. As stated before......Peyton Manning threw 28 in his rookie season. The alternative at this point is what? Start Matt Simms and then start over with next year's draft and basically call this one quits even though we're still the 6 seed for the playoffs at this point? Benching Geno would / could do more harm than good.


Please.

Never, EVER compare Geno's rookie season to Peyton Manning's.

Probably a good thing Geno is struggling mightily though. Next year's QB class is as legit as they come and we can take one in the first 2 rounds now.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:20 PM

IDK WTF happened to geno to be honest.
a few things i noticed though are

negatives

1) Geno sucks under pressure. he's a rookie so hopefully he gets better but right now he is terrible when pressured. teams know this and keep rushing him.

2) Geno sucks on 3 step drops, he's short and indecisive

Positives

1) Geno is much better when he rolls out of the pocket. IDK why we stopped doing this
2) Geno was leading the NFL after 6 weeks in deep balls. jets completed more 40+ yard passes then any team. we need to throw deep. it also backs off the defense opening the run game.

So in short it appears rex is trying to "manage" geno with a crap o-line and its not working. we need to give him more rolling pockets, better protection, and more deep throws to be successful IMO
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:37 PM

I think I have been Sanchized. I have little faith in rookie QBs unless they flash on a regular basis. Geno has not done this. Hopefully I am wrong
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:12 PM

There's no way this kid's entire body of work deserves to be determined 10 games into a season with a talentless offense
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:29 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 19 November 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

There's no way this kid's entire body of work deserves to be determined 10 games into a season with a talentless offense

I am not throwing him aside. I am just not getting on the bandwagon just yet.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:00 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 19 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I am not throwing him aside. I am just not getting on the bandwagon just yet.


Not saying you or anyone else has to by any stretch, but I've seen a ton of shit on the internet (primarily on facebook) from idiots who are saying to start Simms and garbage like that. Like Mr_Jet had pointed out, we knew Geno was going to have games like the ones he had against the Bengals and on Sunday. Everyone is calling for his head and he really doesn't have any help around him to do anything, and with that the kid has won 5 games for this team. He's making a lot of stupid mistakes, but I feel that once he cuts down on them (and I feel he will) the turnovers will reduce and he will be part of the solution instead of being a problem during the losses like he has. The Jets are 5-5 right now and tied for #6 in the AFC. Who predicted that at the beginning of the season? I certainly didn't. As far as I'm concerned people need to cut Geno a little bit of slack right now (of course him winning next week will cure a lot of that...until a subsequent loss). If we can get some players like Hakeem Nicks, Jimmy Graham, Eric Ebron, or Marqise Lee this offseason in conjunction with adding some better protection, I'm willing to bet you'll see a marked improvement with Geno in 2014
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:00 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 19 November 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Not saying you or anyone else has to by any stretch, but I've seen a ton of shit on the internet (primarily on facebook) from idiots who are saying to start Simms and garbage like that. Like Mr_Jet had pointed out, we knew Geno was going to have games like the ones he had against the Bengals and on Sunday. Everyone is calling for his head and he really doesn't have any help around him to do anything, and with that the kid has won 5 games for this team. He's making a lot of stupid mistakes, but I feel that once he cuts down on them (and I feel he will) the turnovers will reduce and he will be part of the solution instead of being a problem during the losses like he has. The Jets are 5-5 right now and tied for #6 in the AFC. Who predicted that at the beginning of the season? I certainly didn't. As far as I'm concerned people need to cut Geno a little bit of slack right now (of course him winning next week will cure a lot of that...until a subsequent loss). If we can get some players like Hakeem Nicks, Jimmy Graham, Eric Ebron, or Marqise Lee this offseason in conjunction with adding some better protection, I'm willing to bet you'll see a marked improvement with Geno in 2014


Our offense is still overall undertalented.

O-line
colon, winters, and howard are below average. brick has regressed into being average and mangold while being good isn't being dominant as before

TE/WRs
holmes has been banged up and oft injured, Hill has been overall decent at best, Kerly is a good slot WR but is hurt now and not starting material, the rest are scrubs and throwaway. Winslow is not good, cumberland is a below average starter

RBs
bohanan sucks, ivory and powell are average RBs at best. goodson was a bust with an arrest and injury

We need to rebuild the offense period. 5 years since drafting sanchez and we still haven't built anything around the QB, now were doing it with geno
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:14 PM

Regardless of what happens this season, I think the Jets should grab a QB within the first 2 rounds this coming draft. Having a young talented backup QB is always good, either as a potential start to keep the fire on Geno or trade bait for later if Geno steps it up.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:44 PM

View PostChaos, on 19 November 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Regardless of what happens this season, I think the Jets should grab a QB within the first 2 rounds this coming draft. Having a young talented backup QB is always good, either as a potential start to keep the fire on Geno or trade bait for later if Geno steps it up.


Some experts say draft a QB every year.
I mean if they do good in preseaon or mop up duty they have trade value.
cassel, schaub, flynn, and a few others got traded for a better pick then they were drafted with. PLus with sanchez gone and assuming geno starts, are we really ok with simms at number 2? I mean as a 3rd QB sure, but a backup not so much.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:28 AM

Simms throws a nice ball with a quick release why not give him a go and alternate with geno .its no big deal .thats is what we did last week anyway. NE lost so we lost nothing.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:38 AM

View Postgmany3k, on 21 November 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Simms throws a nice ball with a quick release why not give him a go and alternate with geno .its no big deal .thats is what we did last week anyway. NE lost so we lost nothing.

Two things on this.

Most of you guys stood by Sanchez for around 3.5 years and he was never a legitimate starting qb. If he wouldn't have been on a stellar team that literally carried him and covered up his poor play for two years he would have never made it to 4 years starting. Yet you guys want Geno benched in his rookie year and he has a lot average and below average players around him unlike what Mark had for two years.

Simms doesn't have the skill to be a starter. He is a #3 qb at best. Starting him or alternating him as a starter does nothing for this team. All teams look at tape and if anyone saw anything in him that shows he has starting potential he would either be starting for us already or took a deal somewhere else as a starter. You cant take what a qb does against mostly backups in a blowout game and say he should be starting. Odds are the starters would own him. If he showed enough in practice he would have been competing for a starting job by now.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 21 November 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

Two things on this.

Most of you guys stood by Sanchez for around 3.5 years and he was never a legitimate starting qb. If he wouldn't have been on a stellar team that literally carried him and covered up his poor play for two years he would have never made it to 4 years starting. Yet you guys want Geno benched in his rookie year and he has a lot average and below average players around him unlike what Mark had for two years.

Simms doesn't have the skill to be a starter. He is a #3 qb at best. Starting him or alternating him as a starter does nothing for this team. All teams look at tape and if anyone saw anything in him that shows he has starting potential he would either be starting for us already or took a deal somewhere else as a starter. You cant take what a qb does against mostly backups in a blowout game and say he should be starting. Odds are the starters would own him. If he showed enough in practice he would have been competing for a starting job by now.


Did you break down the DVR (game film) on Simms?
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:53 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 21 November 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Did you break down the DVR (game film) on Simms?

Honestly I shut that game off. It was to much to watch but that said you cant judge preseason heroes against backups and a guy that looked good coming in a blowout game for a limited number of plays. We all know how Cassel and Flynn have turned out yet you guys want Simms to start after far less playing time in a regular season game? Grasping at straws Id say.

Sorry but Id have to see far more from him to even consider it. Simms was brought in and then waived and then brought back in from lack of depth. He certainly wouldn't be 2nd string without the injury to Sanchez. The coaches see him every day and obviously he didn't make enough of an impact on the coaches. Take Tannehill for instance on Hard Knocks. He was lowest on the totem pole but made such an impact that he was made the starter. The way I see it he has to be making a lot of mistakes in practice to be kept down.

Yes its possible that he is a slow learner and needed time but I doubt it. Anyway like I said you guys were on Sanchez rod for years and when he made mistakes it was always placed on everyone else except the inaccurate guy throwing the ball.....yet now you want to give up on Geno already in his rookie year? What a joke
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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:25 PM

I was the 1st guy to say mark was not our guy at the 2nd season calling for a strong arm QB. I think mark made the 1st QB spot during preseason but do to the imury geno got the nod . I think geno is doing a fair job at QB , but he looks as good as eli out there in some games so, watching simms play , I see the team seems to move the ball and make progress on the field against starters I know I watched The whole game Rob. At this point simms couldn't do much worse than geno . Now coaches and scouts are never 100% in picking talent that can perform on the field these days , that is why we see an limitless supply of players in and out of the NFL.lets face you know the Brady story nobody saw that coming . Simms just looks confident when he h is in there . against the ravens our QBs get kicked in the mouth every year . so after all is said we are at 500 so whats 1/2 half of football to see simms in there after all he is just one injury play away from starting on any given sunday. as for practice mark was not our guy for 2 yrs but ryan and the staff kept him in as a starter . I for one am for doing things outside the box , like getting a basketball player to play the new tall TE's for defense so as to match up.
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:15 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 17 November 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Please.

Never, EVER compare Geno's rookie season to Peyton Manning's.

Probably a good thing Geno is struggling mightily though. Next year's QB class is as legit as they come and we can take one in the first 2 rounds now.


Why not compare it? Peyton had 28 INT's in his rookie season when it was a run-first league. I'm not saying Geno will ever be as good as Manning but there's no way in hell anyone can say as a second rounder in his rookie season that Geno's a bum which some people are basically doing.

We've still got no legitimate #1 WR, our run game is barely alive, our O-line gets basically destroyed. Geno's worst characteristic is his turnovers. That can be improved upon with time. We sure as hell don't have anyone else that can do the job. Simms is really a 3rd QB forced into the backup spot by Sanchez going down.
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:26 PM

Mark played like a rookie for 4yr yrs . and we always are needing a new better WR . we are loosing as a team not geno's fault so with simms it could be some fluke luck .which by the way the Jets need an extra supply its half time at the ravens and geno can't make the team play better so don't be surprise if they just throw simms in their at some point.
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

I honestly don't care who's behind Center as long as we win, but I can only hope that the team doesn't do to Geno what was done to Sanchez. Sanchez MIGHT have been able to be a better QB had he not had a difference OC pretty much every year and no consistency with offensive playmakers.

My wife asked me what player on the team I'd like a jersey for and the only players I can even think of would be Wilk or Richardson at this point.
I will not be forgotten. This is my time to shine. I've got the scars to prove it. Only the strong survive.

When someone annoys u, it takes 42 muscles in ur face 2 frown. BUT, it only takes 4 muscles 2 extend ur arm & b!tch-slap that mother@*?!&! upside the head!!
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