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MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 08:57 AM) GET RIVERS
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 08:59 AM) It's going to cost us 6 because we are going to have to outbid a bunch of teams
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Studs And Duds (The Season So Far)

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:48 PM

With the season almost over, here are my 2013 jets studs and duds

Studs
Rex - our defense is still tops in the NFL despite the lack of offense
Marty - our offense sadly is much improved even with no WRs and a rookie QB. much better the sparano and schotty
Wilkerson - no explanation needed
Pace - revived himself this year. should crack 10 sacks and the jets will have 2 10+ sack players this year for the 1st time since ellis and abe did it a long time ago
Snacks - what a steal he has been
Richardson - has to be in the running for DROTY
Davis - playing better for us then scott ever did
harris - stuffing the run and leading us in tackles
kyle wilson - quietly having a great year
Allen - looks like a 7th round steal. has covered some really good TEs very well
Folk - 1 missed FG all year. Hit every game winner he had a chance to take
Mangold - still playing as a top center

Duds
Geno - i know he is a rookie an dhas had good moments but too many turnovers and pick 6s
Brick - had a down year
Cro - hopefuly its teh injury, but he hasn't been himself this year
milner - benched several times over
WR/TEs as a whole - often injured and under-talented all year
Ganggreen2003 - showed up as a dud more often then any jets player
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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:41 PM

My boy Chris Ivory has been a stud, averaging 4.5 YPC. Hes getting tons of yards after contact, something Shonn Greene never did. Quinton Coples came on late, I think the injury slowed things down for him, I'm expecting a big yaer next season in year 3.

The future looks brighter than it did last season, we have some good young players. Still need to find a QB though, but at least we have tons of cap space this offseason to make things interesting.



If it were up to me, I would keep this coaching staff for another season. Try to fix the offense with adding more talent, this team didn't have enough talent this season and had injuries.
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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:57 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 19 December 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

With the season almost over, here are my 2013 jets studs and duds

Studs
Rex - our defense is still tops in the NFL despite the lack of offense
Marty - our offense sadly is much improved even with no WRs and a rookie QB. much better the sparano and schotty
Wilkerson - no explanation needed
Pace - revived himself this year. should crack 10 sacks and the jets will have 2 10+ sack players this year for the 1st time since ellis and abe did it a long time ago
Snacks - what a steal he has been
Richardson - has to be in the running for DROTY
Davis - playing better for us then scott ever did
harris - stuffing the run and leading us in tackles
kyle wilson - quietly having a great year
Allen - looks like a 7th round steal. has covered some really good TEs very well
Folk - 1 missed FG all year. Hit every game winner he had a chance to take
Mangold - still playing as a top center

Duds
Geno - i know he is a rookie an dhas had good moments but too many turnovers and pick 6s
Brick - had a down year
Cro - hopefuly its teh injury, but he hasn't been himself this year
milner - benched several times over
WR/TEs as a whole - often injured and under-talented all year


I agree with all but Brick and Milliner. He has been asked to play solo way more than most LT due to Winters. Usually the LT gets help from somewhere but that help has gone to Winters. Milliner has come on much better in the past few weeks. Also a rookie playing in one of the most complex schemes in the NFL. Outside of Offensive production the team has played well. I love Rex in the studs column. I believe he has done a great job with a poor cast. Not sure how many coaches could have done more.
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Posted 19 December 2013 - 04:24 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 19 December 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

My boy Chris Ivory has been a stud, averaging 4.5 YPC. Hes getting tons of yards after contact, something Shonn Greene never did. Quinton Coples came on late, I think the injury slowed things down for him, I'm expecting a big yaer next season in year 3.

The future looks brighter than it did last season, we have some good young players. Still need to find a QB though, but at least we have tons of cap space this offseason to make things interesting.



If it were up to me, I would keep this coaching staff for another season. Try to fix the offense with adding more talent, this team didn't have enough talent this season and had injuries.


I couldn't put ivory up there really. he gets taken out on passing downs due to poor blocking, doesn't catch the ball well, and has missed a lot of time due to injuries. He does run hard and i like his power inside, but he has been far from a stud this season. I agree on coples, but again its for the whole season, and as a whole he hasn't been a big contributer.

View Postazjetfan, on 19 December 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

I agree with all but Brick and Milliner. He has been asked to play solo way more than most LT due to Winters. Usually the LT gets help from somewhere but that help has gone to Winters. Milliner has come on much better in the past few weeks. Also a rookie playing in one of the most complex schemes in the NFL. Outside of Offensive production the team has played well. I love Rex in the studs column. I believe he has done a great job with a poor cast. Not sure how many coaches could have done more.


Again its the whole season. brick had high expectations. he was a shutout LT on his own against some of the best in the game in previous years, but this year he's been beat a lot. And millner has been benched like 3-4 times. just becuase he has had a few good games lately doens't make him a stud or not a bust for the year. and yes rex deservers it. were not very talented and were supposd to win 4 games at best and will probably be 8-8
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Posted 21 December 2013 - 10:25 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 19 December 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Again its the whole season. brick had high expectations. he was a shutout LT on his own against some of the best in the game in previous years, but this year he's been beat a lot. And millner has been benched like 3-4 times. just becuase he has had a few good games lately doens't make him a stud or not a bust for the year. and yes rex deservers it. were not very talented and were supposd to win 4 games at best and will probably be 8-8

No TE chipping, FB and HB staying in pocket to block, and a rookie QB holding onto the ball to long. His results have been poor I guess if that is what we are measuring but it is because of the issues around him not his ability to play the game. I would not be surprised to see his peers vote him into the ProBowl.
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Posted 22 December 2013 - 05:07 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 19 December 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

With the season almost over, here are my 2013 jets studs and duds

Studs
Rex - our defense is still tops in the NFL despite the lack of offense
Marty - our offense sadly is much improved even with no WRs and a rookie QB. much better the sparano and schotty
Wilkerson - no explanation needed
Pace - revived himself this year. should crack 10 sacks and the jets will have 2 10+ sack players this year for the 1st time since ellis and abe did it a long time ago
Snacks - what a steal he has been
Richardson - has to be in the running for DROTY
Davis - playing better for us then scott ever did
harris - stuffing the run and leading us in tackles
kyle wilson - quietly having a great year
Allen - looks like a 7th round steal. has covered some really good TEs very well
Folk - 1 missed FG all year. Hit every game winner he had a chance to take
Mangold - still playing as a top center

Duds
Geno - i know he is a rookie and has had good moments but too many turnovers and pick 6s
Brick - had a down year
Cro - hopefuly its teh injury, but he hasn't been himself this year
milner - benched several times over
WR/TEs as a whole - often injured and under-talented all year



I'd agree with everything but the WR/TE as a whole thing. There's NO DOUBT that both Holmes & Hill both fall into the Dud category but I can't include Kerley, Nelson & Salas into that category as those three have played to their abilities. Cribbs, prior to his injury, actually added a pass component to that bullshit WildCat. Cumberland was middle of the road and so was Winslow. If their numbers aren't called, they can't move into the studs. Cumberland has done a better job as the season progressed. Our biggest issue is we have no real #1 @ WR. We've got a bunch of #3's at best.
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Posted 24 December 2013 - 01:29 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 22 December 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

No TE chipping, FB and HB staying in pocket to block, and a rookie QB holding onto the ball to long. His results have been poor I guess if that is what we are measuring but it is because of the issues around him not his ability to play the game. I would not be surprised to see his peers vote him into the ProBowl.


I would class our offensive line as having had an up and down season, and with seasoned veterans such as Ferguson, Mangold and Colon they could certainly have done better, especially in pass protection. Our running backs may have one of the better YPC averages in the league, but we're tied with Jacksonville for the second most sacks allowed in the league.

Generally I think the studs are quite easy to categorise:

The front seven on defence, Wilkerson, Richardson and Harrison especially, have been phenomenal. Pace has had a great season - his double digit sack numbers came almost out of nowhere - and he has been helped by having such a dominant group around him.
On offense, Ivory and Powell have been consistently good. They're by no means the best one-two RB tandem in the league, and nor do they have the same quality as Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene did in Rex's first season. But they've been effective and gained yards even when defence have been allowed to zone in on the run. Arrguably, they've been underutilised.
At wide receiver, Jeremy Kerley has made clutch catch after clutch catch; his performance against New England, in particular, was outstanding.
Nick Folk has been superb too and deserves to go to the Pro Bowl. His leg has helped keep us in games where the offense stalled outside of the red zone. To have a kicker who can do that for you is a great help.

On both sides of the ball, we've had healthy contributions from the likes of David Nelson, Antonio Allen, Kyle Wilson, Jeff Cumberland and Kellen Winslow. The latter two have blown hot and cold at times - Winslow's suspension in the middle of the season didn't help. I'd err against calling them studs though, but it's nice that Rex has continued to get these kind of performances from guys who aren't necessarily starters, but who you need to step up.

For some of our big names it's been a very disappointing year. That to me is probably the biggest letdown this season.
Although Cro's battled injuries, he's been off the boil. Holmes, also coming off an injury, hasn't been much of a threat except against the Bills. And he could have been somebody to help ease Geno in to life as an NFL quarterback. Instead he's not really had a trusted every down receiver who he can depend upon.
Hill and Ducasse, two of our most recent second round picks, have continued to make no progress. Thanks Tannenbaum for gambling on the project with upside with those selections rather than go for a safer pick...

When it comes to our rookies, all apart from Richardson have had a tough introduction to life in the NFL. Fortunately Milliner has blossomed in the last couple of weeks.
Geno's form has been infuriating. There have been some good days, but bad performances outnumber those by a ratio of about 2:1. And it's damn frustrating that our QB situation continues to have a question mark hanging over it. Perhaps though it was slightly unrealistic to expect a second round pick with a depleted supporting cast to have led us to more success than we have had. In his defence, our great start to the year has also probably influenced opinion regarding his play in the middle of the season.
Finally, it's good to see Winters and Bohanon get plenty of playing time, though a little frustrating that neither Aboushi nor Campbell has yet to suit up.

Overall, it's been an unexpectedly decent season. Let's hope we can get to .500 by beating the Fins Sunday then head into the offseason with intent.
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Posted 24 December 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 19 December 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

I couldn't put ivory up there really. he gets taken out on passing downs due to poor blocking, doesn't catch the ball well, and has missed a lot of time due to injuries. He does run hard and i like his power inside, but he has been far from a stud this season. I agree on coples, but again its for the whole season, and as a whole he hasn't been a big contributer.



Ivory isn't far from a stud. Dude has 814 yards rushing with a 4.6 YPC. I love watching this guy break tackles every run, he doesn't go down that easily and he has the speed to break long runs.

I wasn't saying Coples is a stud for the season, just that hes came on late and I am hopeful that he'll break out next season. I think his injury held him back early on.
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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:39 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 24 December 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Ivory isn't far from a stud. Dude has 814 yards rushing with a 4.6 YPC. I love watching this guy break tackles every run, he doesn't go down that easily and he has the speed to break long runs.

I wasn't saying Coples is a stud for the season, just that hes came on late and I am hopeful that he'll break out next season. I think his injury held him back early on.


Can you really say a back-up RB who can't catch or block is close to being a stud based on 800 yards and a 4.6 average? Back-ups always have higher averages then starters. I do like his tough running. he's the anti-thomas jones, but he isn't a stud unless he can start almsot every game, handlt 20 carries a game, block, andd catch. we need a true #1 RB
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Posted 26 December 2013 - 10:16 PM

I've seen Ivory throw down some nasty blocks, even knocked a guy out. And yes a starting RB doesn't have to catch well. And yes Ivory has been our starting RB for a while now. Either way, Ivory is a stud. Guy can run the rock.
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:57 PM

Lol I agree with all the Duds especially Ganggreen2003. Idzik should fire him as a fan lol
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