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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:24 AM) Rex is chirping again.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) http://sports.yahoo....l8xBHNlYwNzcg--
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:26 PM) i'd be happy if he kicks the shit out of miami and NE every year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I'm excited for the new coaching staff
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) Ain't that super
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:41 PM) I believe the rivers stuff is all speculation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:39 PM) So Many smokescreens this time of year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:08 PM) only 2 more weeks before we find out. draft day will be exciting
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:09 PM) my money is we'll take a pass rushing OLB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 PM) Yup, unless they trade up.
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 6 2005, 04:46 PM)
Wow once again u make no sense. Vinny has an arm and can bomb it all day. does that mean that u let him? NO! of course it makes sense. Look lets say westhoff says kick it. lets say nugent kicks it 1 yard deep in the end zone. The guy is gonna run it out and will have all types of room to do it. if he dierectional kicks it to th 5 yard line he’ll gaet tackled earlier so it more then makes up for the yardage. Westhoff is either an idiot or doesn’t have confidence in his unit to cover the whole field. If u watch nugents video in collge he kicks them through the endzone. Its only a 5 yard difference in the NFL I believe so he can kick it 5 yards deep. Remember the out of bounds kicks? Its cause he was trying to directional kick it EVEN WESTHHOFF SAID SO!

wow. once again you make NO sense. I said TOUCHBACKS. I said obviously Nugent doesn't have the leg for TOUCHBACKS. NOT 1 yard deep kicks in the endzone. TOUCHBACKS. so that means that there is no return. just in case you didn't know that. if he's kicking them through the endzone in college then he should be getting touchbacks. like i said he doesn't have the leg. because if he could kick TOUCHBACKS then westhoff would let him. remember TOUCHBACKS. and that is why westhoff has made him directional kick.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:16 AM

Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Oct 7 2005, 10:51 AM)
Hello u can kick it 8 yards deep and the guy can take it out. u can kick it 2 yards deep and he can down it. it all depends on the kick coverage and the returner not just how deep the ball goes. Maybe he can kick it 5 yards deep but it doesn’t mean it’d be a touchback.


hello. you think if he could kick it 5 yards deep or even 2 yards deep taht westhoff would make him directional kick??? listen our special teams hasn't even been good when it comes to kick offs so why continue to directional kick. why not make him kick in the endzone. and lets be for real. NOBODY IN THE NFL RETURNS A KICK THATS 8 yards deep. almost all of those result in touchbacks. you arent' realistic. just realize that nugent doesn't have the leg. if he did we wouldn't directional kick. if he was putting it in the endzone we wouldn't directional kick. its that simple.

you make no sense
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 01:25 PM

Actually they do. Hall returns everyone he gets his hands on. Didn’t he have lke a 108 yards TD return or something. I’m not saying they all do but the better ones do. Plus u can’t guarantee he’ll do it everytime. He might kick one to the 5 and the next one 5 yards deep. Its not madden u know. if it goes 5 yards deep a lot of returners will take it out. westhoff like the directional kick cause it leaves less lanes for the KR to go through. Its like saying graham sucks for kincking it 30 yards and them getting it at the 10 rather then booming it through the end zone. Its called strategy. Obviously u have a problem with either nugernt or TB or drafting a kicker or maybe your doug brien. U haven’t made any points yet except to say if u can kick deep do it every time. I bet you want vinny to throw a bomb every other play too? it might be fun to watch but it doesn’t win games.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 03:04 PM

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 04:13 PM

how do i have on green glasses if i'm bashing our special teams coach? lay off the pipe please. you make no sense whatsoever
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:06 PM

you make no sense. that green hash you smoke has got you in purple heaven. to think that a coach would directional kick for a guy that kicks kickoffs 8 yards into the endzone. who's smoking??? you are.
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:24 PM

Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20. If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out. He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback. That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line. Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (a1elbow @ Oct 7 2005, 11:59 PM)
Not to even get into his leg strength, you don't kick into the end zone every time because you hope that there is a return and that your guys stop them behind the 20.  If you boot it deep every time then you end up with the offense getting the ball at the 20 on Touchbacks.

So, the reason you directional kick is to get the ball in the corner of the field (not end zone) but returnable so the guy will be forced to bring it out.  He can't back it up into the red zone if he catches it, so he would be returning the ball with all your guys aiming for that corner.

You also have to remember that most teams WANT to try and return the ball because they should feel like they can get past the twenty and so get further than they would on a touchback.  That means a team that gets the ball on even the one or two yard line will try to bring the ball forward rather than just let the ball go into the end zone.

SO, while the ability to get touchbacks is nice, it is inferior to the ability to get the ball consistently within the ten yard line.  Touchbacks are worthwhile against the elite return men, who are too dangerous to kick to, or if you have a poor kickoff unit that typically allows the opposing team to get past the twenty.

Sum it up!

good coverage=directional kick
weak return men=directional kick

strong return men=touchback
weak coverage=touchback

Well said.

Anyone that attacks Nugent is in need of a reality check. This kid is the real deal.

We'd love to have him.

Grammatica was awesome until the 2003 season... then he was a cancer. Nugent will be just as accurate. Get a stronger ST unit that tackles better. Grammatica hardly kicked Touchbacks as well... but he was nails on the FGs.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:04 AM

the thing is people have consistently gotten it past the 20 on our directional kicks. so you tell me if it's better to kick it long or not
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 12:12 AM

oh one more thing. anyone who questions nugent is being realistic. what has he done since he's been here?: kicked the ball out of bounds and slipped on a field goal. and otherwise he's made normal 30 or so yard field goals. it's not even about questioning nugent. it's about questioning the jets decision to take him with their first pick in the draft when basically we have other needs.

I mean brien wouldn't didn't kick out of bounds all year last year and didn't miss a kick under 40 yards so thats why it's justified to question that decision.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:16 AM

look if u want yo hate nugent fine then do it but don't use your hate for him to try and twist facts
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:15 AM

what did I twist?
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 03:23 PM

the fact that he is being told to directional kick
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:29 PM

do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 11:04 AM)
do we still have an argument. where's doug brien. he would have made a 40 yarder.


brien is getting cut for missing so mane FGs so not yet.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 01:07 PM

even so forget brien. but i will never be for taking nugent with that pick. even if he does good. and he hasn't even done that. i dont' know how you can defend him and say he's the truth.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:22 PM

wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (triple3s @ Oct 9 2005, 02:57 PM)
wasn't nugent suppose to make 50 yarders?? yeah. suppose to make game winning field goals? yeah. these aren't even pressure situations.

I would say that I want Doug Brien back, but it's not like he's doing any better.
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