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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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What We Can Learn From 1995 & 1996! Kotite shouldered all the blame!

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 05:49 PM

Rich Kotite had a 11-5 record in 1991. He also had a 10-6 record in 1992 and an 8-8 record in 1993. After a 7-9 season in 1994, he was fired by the Philadelphia Eagles.

He was hired by the Jets in 1995 (who had a record of 4-12 in 1992, 8-8 in 1993 and 6-10 in 1994). This team was so bad that they had not had a winning season since 1987.

The 1995 draft turned out to be pivotal in Jets history as they had 2 number one picks and instead of drafting a well known defensive tackle named Warren Sapp They chose Kyle Brady. Jets fans were booing all over the world. Rich Haley took over duties of running and organizing the draft after the late general manager Rich Steinberg was diagnosed with stomach cancer in December of 1994. Haley joined the Jets in 1991 as the team director of player personnel and oversaw the Jets' scouts and the evaluation of collegiate player personnel.

The 1995 New York Jets Draft:

1 Kyle Brady Penn State TE
1 Hugh Douglas Central State (OH) DE
3 Matt O'Dwyer Northwestern G
4 Melvin Hayes Mississippi State T
4 Tyrone Davis Virginia WR
5 Carl Greenwood UCLA DB
6 Eddie Mason North Carolina LB
7 Curtis Ceaser Grambling WR

The Jets continued to be active in the free agent market, signing seven unrestricted free agents: QB Bubby Brister, RB-KR Dexter Carter, S Gary Jones and Todd Scott, DT-DE Erik Howard and Matt Brock and CB Otis Smith

The 1996 New York Jets Draft

1 Johnson, Keyshawn WR USC
2 Van Byke, Alex WR Nevada
3 Mickens, Ray DB Texas A&M
4 Choice to Tampa Bay - -
5 Coleman, Marcus DB Texas Tech
6 Hunter, Hugh DE Hampton
7 Hayes, Chris DB Washington State

in 1996, T David Williams was the first player to sign with the Jets as a FA, leading a long line of players that included T John Elliott, QB's Neil O'Donnell and Frank Reich and WR Jeff Graham. (Feb. 15).

Sadly Steinberg died September 1995 prior to the start of the season and the Jets would go on to finish 3-13 behind Bubby Brister and Boomer Esiason. WR's were Wayne Chrebet and Charles Wilson and Ryan Yarborough.

In 1996 the Jets would have their worst season finishing at 1-15. Neil O'Donnell, Frank Reich and Gelnn Foley shared QB duties. Wayne Chrebet, Jeff Graham and Rookie Keyshawn Johnson were the WR's. QB Neil O'Donnell suffered a shoulder injury in game six vs. Oakland and would miss six games due to the injury. He was scheduled to return to action in game 13 vs. Houston, but suffered a torn calf muscle in pregame warmups, sidelining him for the remainder of the season.

And so it goes Rich Kotite having been proclaimed worst coach in Jets History.

Note: I cannot even remember players that were free agent pickups and drafted and most of the starters. Both drafts were conducted by Rich Haley and were the poorest drafts in recent memory. The Jets has 3 coaches in the last 4 years prior to the 1996 season (Bruce Coslet Pete Carroll and Rich Kotite) and all were below .500.

We can learn that if you do not draft well and have an unstable team roster situation, your teams can suffer. In the end, it cost Kotite his career and reputation. Those 2 years defined him as a head coach. Its a shame that he left quietly and took all the blame. I respect him for not placing blame on Haley's drafts and poor personnel selection. He took it like a man! I sure as hell wouldn't!
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:02 PM

I'd hate to tell you, but with all the bullshit you have said earlier, well, no one gives a flying *beep* of what you say now, so why don't you go to that better jets fan site.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (JCBizkit87 @ Dec 2 2005, 06:37 PM)
I'd hate to tell you, but with all the bullshit you have said earlier, well, no one gives a flying *beep* of what you say now, so why don't you go to that better jets fan site.



Mr. Bizkit 87,


I am glad you finally found the time to stop raping your little sister and were able to respond to me in such a fashion.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (richkotite2006 @ Dec 2 2005, 06:44 PM)
Mr. Bizkit 87,
I am glad you finally found the time to stop raping your little sister and were able to respond to me in such a fashion.



WOW... that was uncalled for dude. Apologize immediately. That was not cool, No class at all.

You make me sick

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (richkotite2006 @ Dec 2 2005, 05:44 PM)
Mr. Bizkit 87,
I am glad you finally found the time to stop raping your little sister and were able to respond to me in such a fashion.





OHHH, this explains why your posts alternation from Positive to Negetive


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Posted 02 December 2005 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE (sdubb6 @ Dec 2 2005, 07:01 PM)
WOW... that was uncalled for dude. Apologize immediately. That was not cool, No class at all.

You make me sick




Class. When you start a fight be prepared for what comes next! Bizkit had no right hopping into my thread and calling it bullshit. An Insult is an insult. There are no varying degrees. I am assuming you want to be the peacemaker. We'll go make peace elsewhere! Your opinions do not matter to me! This is between he and I shitweed! beach.gif
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 07:55 PM

QUOTE (richkotite2006 @ Dec 3 2005, 12:53 AM)
Class.    When you start a fight be prepared for what comes next!  Bizkit had no right hopping into my thread and calling it bullshit.  An Insult is an insult.  There are no varying degrees. I am assuming you want to be the peacemaker.  We'll go make peace elsewhere!    Your opinions do not matter to me!  This is between he and I shitweed! beach.gif


Dude, you just do not get it, do you? You said you "found" a "better" jets fan site then this, and yet you still happen to come and post here? WHY? I just really want to know. You know your hated on this site, so why not just leave.

I actually did have a right you insult you, because everyone happens to be insulting you here, if you have not noticed yet.

So dude, just shut up, or get the hell out of here.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 08:28 PM

Well... there are different levels and degree's of an insult. He said it was bullshit and you refer to ancestery and molestation as a comeback. You my friend are a sick demented lilttle man.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE (sdubb6 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:03 PM)
Well... there are different levels and degree's of an insult. He said it was bullshit and you refer to ancestery and molestation as a comeback. You my friend are a sick demented lilttle man.



Thank You! crazy.gif crazy.gif crazy.gif crazy.gif
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (richkotite2006 @ Dec 3 2005, 02:13 AM)
Thank You! crazy.gif  crazy.gif  crazy.gif  crazy.gif


Why not do us all a favor, and leave this website, it would be for the best for both the site, and yourself.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 08:54 PM

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GO HOME! noone likes you your a discrace to all the Jets fans on this board.
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Posted 02 December 2005 - 08:59 PM

QUOTE (richkotite2006 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:13 PM)
Thank You! crazy.gif  crazy.gif  crazy.gif  crazy.gif



Mo...les..ta..tion. Did you read that right?.. and you are finding that humorus?. Your a peice of shit. Your computer is probably filled with child porn to isn't?. O.K I'm out of this conversation becasue i am literally starting to feel ill and your lucky there is an internet becasue if I saw you out at a bar or on the street you would be drinking and eating threw a straw after I knocked your teeth down your throat.
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Posted 03 December 2005 - 12:42 AM

Bizkit deserves some thrashing on this board since he insults everyone he disagrees with, but that was uncalled for. Topic Done.
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