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Azjetfan is the nyjetsfan #1 pick
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:22 PM) He has more upside for a 7th rounder than anyone else
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:22 PM) He can start right away at RT
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:29 PM) He said he won't sign
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:32 PM) so he doesn't want to be drafted?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:33 PM) If Collins doesn't get drafted, he can't enter next years draft. He can only if he is drafted and sits out. So I guess he has to go undrafted
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:41 PM) going undrafted makes the most sense for collins
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 03:41 PM) but for teams, drafting him and dealing with his holdout makes more sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:19 PM) Zac Stacy was traded to us for our 7th
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:21 PM) Jets also drafted a NT with our other 7th
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:21 PM) 6'4 330 DL who is very strong
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:25 PM) zac stacy for a 7th
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:25 PM) well can't complain about that
MikeGangGree... Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:29 PM) So we have 4 rbs now
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:31 PM) still would have rather taken a runner on collins but i can't complain with depth
V DidDy 210 Icon : (02 May 2015 - 04:32 PM) i mean they can't expect to carry 4 rb though no?
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:50 PM) Collins would have been a waste. He would not have signed. At least we have something to show for our pick. Worst case scenario is we trade or release one of our backs.
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:56 PM) I know it's hard to tell without seeing a win loss record yet but this regime seems really on point.
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:56 PM) For the first time in my life I can say I feel comfortable with the people making the decisions.
azjetfan Icon : (02 May 2015 - 05:57 PM) I was close with Parcells but he seemed like a short term fixer and didn't care about the long term
MikeGangGree... Icon : (02 May 2015 - 06:57 PM) SUCK FOR THE DUCK
MikeGangGree... Icon : (02 May 2015 - 06:57 PM) .......oh wait
santana Icon : (03 May 2015 - 01:13 AM) Well that was a disappointment
Chadforpresi... Icon : (03 May 2015 - 01:24 AM) I like getting Stacy for our 7th rounder, assuming he can handle the fact he won't be a feature back (yikes)
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:31 AM) I like the trade, hes a quality back and adds more depth to our backfield
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:32 AM) Macc has pretty much killed it this offseason
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:32 AM) He has turned this roster around, he has added talent and competition all over.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:33 AM) We still aren't great at QB, but our overall football team is good. We have a realistic shot at making a playoff run
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:33 AM) We may have the best defense in football. We have a great DL and secondary, that is gonna be tough on offenses when you can stop the run, pressure the QB, and blanket the receivers
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:23 PM) ok now it's time for this team to take all this talent and do something anything below a 10-6 season will be a disappointment
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:24 PM) the only still glaring issue is QB
ganggreen2003 Icon : (03 May 2015 - 09:25 PM) we got the WR problem solved, we got probably one of the best Defenses in the game and we have addressed the OL but QB will still be the glaring issue
Chaos Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:34 AM) jets cleaning house
azjetfan Icon : (04 May 2015 - 05:57 PM) I'm excited about this year. Could be a good year for the Jets.
ganggreen2003 Icon : (04 May 2015 - 07:32 PM) weird how they cleaned house in the scouting department after such a successful draft and off-season so far
azjetfan Icon : (04 May 2015 - 07:36 PM) I assume they didn't bring much to the table
santana Icon : (04 May 2015 - 08:41 PM) Have to clean the table
santana Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:08 PM) Fuck the rangers
santana Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:08 PM) face off dominated holtby gtfo
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 May 2015 - 09:18 PM) La'el Collins is meeting with Rex Ryan tonight
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 AM) FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH!
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 05:41 AM) Damn that'd make up for the Bills not having a first rounder
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:59 AM) They didn't sign him yet. It's just a visit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:49 PM) Uefa time
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 11:56 PM) Not sure if anyone saw this on the MSN home page but might be something worth looking into for the offensive line
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 11:56 PM) http://www.msn.com/e...d=HPDHP#image=4
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What's A Number Worth?

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 02:56 AM

This did not really belong in any other forum, good read though...

http://www.nytimes.c....html?th&emc=th

May 13, 2005
What Is a Number Worth? Some Athletes Pay the Price
By LEE JENKINS

The fight for jersey No. 26 is going all the way to courtroom No. 161B.

Next month, the District Court of Maryland will try to answer the question being posed in locker rooms everywhere: how much for your number?

Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis agreed to pay defensive back Ifeanyi Ohalete $40,000 for No. 26 last year, but after Ohalete was released by the team in August, he accused Portis of stopping payments and paying only half the sum.

Ohalete, now wearing No. 25 for the Arizona Cardinals, is claiming breach of contract and suing Portis in a trial scheduled to begin June 7 in Upper Marlboro, Md. "It's not exactly the kind of case you see every day," John Steren, Ohalete's lawyer, said.

But it is just the kind of conflict that plays out every season. When a prominent athlete joins a new team after contract talks, the negotiations in a high-stakes numbers game have often only just begun. Jeff Feagles, the punter for the Giants, wore No. 10 until he sold it to the rookie quarterback Eli Manning last spring for a one-week vacation in Florida. Then Feagles switched to No. 17, which he sold this off-season to receiver Plaxico Burress for a new outdoor kitchen at his home in Phoenix.

"The guys in the equipment room tell me I'm the luckiest person they've ever seen," said Feagles, who hashed out the kitchen deal with Burress's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. "Think about what I've profited in the past two years just from my jersey number. Now I have No. 18, and everyone is wondering if any of the rookies are going to want it."

Mets pitcher Tom Glavine never really even liked No. 47, but it was given to him by the Atlanta Braves at his first spring training and therefore symbolizes everything he overcame to stick in the major leagues. So when Glavine signed with the Mets two years ago and Joe McEwing handed over No. 47, Glavine and his wife financed a baby nursery in McEwing's home.

"If you play long enough," Glavine said, "that number becomes your identity."

For many professional athletes, a jersey number is a personal brand. It is worn on shoes and helmets, wristbands and turtlenecks. It inspires tattoos and is engraved on medallions the size of manhole covers.

Players who have been successful with certain digits are often too superstitious to change. They wonder if they can put up the same numbers while wearing a different number.

Lee Evans was a rookie for the Buffalo Bills last year when he paid $20,000 to his teammate Mark Campbell for No. 83. The Cleveland Browns rookie Kellen Winslow pried No. 80 from his teammate Aaron Shea for a package of suits, meals and a vacation totaling around $30,000. Last month, the veteran outfielder Brian Jordan trumped both of them when he bought a $40,000 motorcycle for Fredi Gonzalez, the Braves' third-base coach, to thank him for No. 33.

"I think he was just expecting a golf shirt or something," Jordan said. "But this number is important to me. It's the way people in Atlanta recognize me."

The price of jersey numbers has escalated at almost the same rate as the value of player contracts. In 1989, Oakland's Rickey Henderson got No. 24 from Ron Hassey by substituting for him at an autograph session. In 1991, Philadelphia reliever Mitch Williams got No. 28 from John Kruk for two cases of beer.

But by 1993, when Henderson wanted No. 24 with the Toronto Blue Jays, he had to pay outfielder Turner Ward $25,000.

"I didn't even think of asking for money," Kruk said. "The only reason Mitch wanted the number is because his wife had a lot of No. 28 jewelry and he didn't want to buy her any more jewelry.

"Not long after that, he got divorced and changed numbers."

There have been Hawaiian baseball players, like Sid Fernandez and Benny Agbayani, who wore No. 50 because they were from the 50th state. There have been baseball players whose last names began with the letter O, like Al Oliver and Rey Ordóñez, who requested and wore No. 0.

And there was one self-deprecating hockey player, Neil Sheehy, who wore No. 0 because he said that he was as far away as anyone could get from Wayne Gretzky, No. 99.

The trends are so difficult to track that espn.com has its own uniform columnist, Paul Lukas, who can tell you that Nick Van Exel once wore No. 37 because he was the 37th pick in the N.B.A. draft, that catcher Benito Santiago once wore No. 09 so that the strap on the back of his chest protector would not cross through the No. 9, and that the Czech hockey star Jaromir Jagr wears No. 68 because of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

"Anyone playing the lottery can tell you about lucky numbers," Lukas said. "And as long as salaries go up, the price for numbers will probably go up, too. For today's athlete, what's the difference between buying a case of beer and buying a motorcycle?"

Sally Faubion of San Francisco, who studies numerology, the effect of numbers on people's lives, said: "When there's a number that resonates with you, it will bring you something positive. If someone says, 'I hate my number; I wish I had another number,' they probably won't do well with it."

Faubion would advise any athlete to pick a jersey number that corresponds to his birth date, making Mets pitcher Kris Benson her ideal example. Benson said he wore No. 7 in high school because he was born on Nov. 7. When he could not get that number at Clemson - the head coach was wearing it - he opted for No. 34 because three plus four equals seven. If Benson were a European soccer player, he might have even taped a plus sign between the digits on his jersey, a recent trend spotted overseas.

Oakland's Barry Zito came up wearing No. 34 because he wanted to pitch like Benson, but when the Athletics retired it as a nod to the Hall of Fame reliever Rollie Fingers, Zito picked No. 75.

"I'm really into numbers and symmetry, and if you look at the 75, it creates a really nice shelf under my name," Zito said. "There's also an added bonus. Not too many people have it, so if I get traded somewhere else, I probably won't have to give up a Rolex."

That is exactly what pitcher Roger Clemens gave Carlos Delgado as thanks for No. 21 in Toronto. When Clemens went to the Yankees, he had to settle for No. 22 because Paul O'Neill had 21. And when Clemens bolted for Houston, he had to keep No. 22 because his teammate Andy Pettitte got No. 21 a month earlier as a tribute to Clemens. Delgado, who gave up No. 21 even though he was wearing it for the Hall of Famer Roberto Clemente, a fellow Puerto Rican, said he still had the Rolex in a safety deposit box.

Even college teams are starting to recruit by numbers. When safety Darnell Bing signed to play safety for Southern California, he asked to wear No. 20, which had long been retired for Mike Garrett, winner of the 1965 Heisman Trophy. Conveniently, Garrett is still on campus, working as the athletic director, and he gave Bing the necessary permission.

For all the locker-room deals that have been struck, nearly as many have stalled. Jacksonville running back Fred Taylor reportedly offered $10,000 to his teammate Aaron Beasley for No. 21 after the 1998 draft, but he was turned down. Frank Viola asked Mets pitcher Dwight Gooden for No. 16 in 1989, to which Gooden responded: "He can have my wife. But he can't have my number." The same season, Steve Sax joined the Yankees and inquired about No. 3. He apparently forgot it had been retired for Babe Ruth.

The Yankees, who used to give out jersey numbers based on a hitter's position in the batting order, have retired 15 numbers. But their ranks are empty compared with the Boston Celtics, who have 22 banners in the rafters. Still, when forward Antoine Walker returned to Boston this season, the rookie Al Jefferson handed him No. 8 and did not ask for anything tangible in return.

"I just told him to teach me everything he knows about the game," Jefferson told reporters. "Ain't all about the money."
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 09:54 AM

great read...i like the zito one..."it creates a nice shelf for my last name", haha.
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 01:14 PM

I was 26 in pee-wee football......nobody is paying me?!?! WTF? LOL
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 08:43 PM

good stuff bz11. very interesting.
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