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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 October 2014 - 06:39 PM) Should have gotten desean Jackson this offsesson
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (17 October 2014 - 06:43 PM) yup
V DidDy 210 Icon : (17 October 2014 - 06:44 PM) wowsers
V DidDy 210 Icon : (17 October 2014 - 06:44 PM) i'm still crying from last night
V DidDy 210 Icon : (17 October 2014 - 06:44 PM) and on top of that the jets fuccked me again by getting harvin before he could play this week lol
santana Icon : (17 October 2014 - 07:33 PM) stop your crying THERE'S NO CRYING AT NYJETSFAN
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 October 2014 - 08:12 AM) Jets are cutting David Nelson
jetfan4life12 Icon : (18 October 2014 - 09:15 AM) the probably could have had Santana Moss cheap. He has been healthy all season but inactive every week
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (18 October 2014 - 11:06 AM) I'd prefer to keep him and cut Salas
santana Icon : (18 October 2014 - 11:36 AM) you would of thought david nelson would of been more of a redzone threat by this point. hes a big dude.
santana Icon : (18 October 2014 - 11:39 AM) real madrid shooting practice continues
santana Icon : (18 October 2014 - 12:02 PM) arent there some other names that could have been cut instead
santana Icon : (18 October 2014 - 12:03 PM) chris owusu
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 October 2014 - 01:21 PM) Salas is better than Nelson
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 October 2014 - 01:22 PM) Nelson is rated as the worst wr in football this season
santana Icon : (18 October 2014 - 01:34 PM) he has to better than owusu or graham
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (18 October 2014 - 04:36 PM) I posted an article about harvin and some of his issues. Dude seems like a wack job with talent. Hope rex can corral this guy or he could make the locker room implode
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 11:43 AM) Wasn't demean Jackson vilified as a gang affiliated street thug during his Philly release
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) damn football sunday and no ones on
Canuck Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:00 PM) Yeah, cuz Rex is so good at developing offensive talent; 0 - Infinity
Canuck Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:02 PM) Harvin is Holmes 2.0, except punches for general bitchiness and annoying first down celebrations.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:03 PM) i'm not buying into the media nonsense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:06 PM) Harvin is a playmaker, we needed one.
Canuck Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:15 PM) I hope he tears it up as a Jet, but he's been tossed from 2 teams in as many years and hasn't cracked 1000 yds in his career. I wouldn't be surprised if he had CTE from those brutal head hits, hence the aggression of late.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:18 PM) I was tossed from two t-ball teams and some people still say i was the best hitter on timid deer lane
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:20 PM) bills RBs dropping like flies
Canuck Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:20 PM) We'll only really know when the autopsy his brain. Stay tuned! Guy never should have played the Super Bowl after the 2 concussions he suffered against the Saints.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:26 PM) whitehurst clipboard jesus
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:54 PM) brian shottenheimer must of lost his mind haha
V DidDy 210 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:11 PM) fuckin orton
V DidDy 210 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:11 PM) how does he keep doing it?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 04:53 PM) Jack Daniels
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 06:25 PM) murray horse
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:28 PM) GOD DAMN IT ANQUAN
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:29 PM) what is this amateur hour!?!?!?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:29 PM) come on!
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:43 PM) Manning just broke the Passing TD record
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:44 PM) :boredom: we could of had him a few years ago
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:44 PM) but at least he didn't break it on us
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:45 PM) I don't think he wanted to be here
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:46 PM) I don't really care for passing records being broken. Qbs now have a lot of rules in their favor
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:46 PM) I mean even the catch that got them into the redzone was a PI call that wouldnt of been called when favre played
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 05:16 AM) is that a suggestion that Favre was a better QB than Peyton?
santana Icon : (Today, 08:05 AM) No it's a suggestion that passing records today are a bit skewed by the modern rules
santana Icon : (Today, 08:05 AM) everyone knows Favre is the bestest ever that's not even an argument duhhhhh
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:09 AM

I just put DJ Shockley there because it seems the Patriots model is to draft QBs every year and see what you can get with them. They drafted Matt Cassel this year and released Rohan Davey because Davey is inaccurate. Besides I have Philip Rivers starting. He's cheap and can be cut next offseason if he doesn't work out. I'd imagine we'd be in a position to draft Brady Quinn anyway. When we cut Chad (it's going to happen this week in order to have enough space to refranchise Abraham) we won't have a whole lot of room. I figure we could pick up some cheap players to get us through the 2006 season.

I value Ferguson over Young or Culter anyway. You could have Peyton Manning passing for us but if he's getting sacked because Fabini is constantly burned it's of no help to us. Fabini is the reason Pennington was injured this year again (atleast on the field, I blame Herm for letting him play at all). I also don't know if we should keep Bollinger or not. He really isn't the right size for an NFL QB and I think he'd have much better luck in the CFL.

If we were to pick a QB, I'd take Culter over the other two. Leinart doesn't have a big strong arm like Cutler and Young has odd throwing mechanics which won't help us in the immediate future. Besides that, Young won't be able to create his own throwing lanes when he runs, the windows aren't that big in the NFL.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:09 AM

I posted this in another thread, but if Chad is cut...
I think if we were to pick a QB, do something like this...
Trade John Abraham to the Browns for their first (12).
Trade the #4 to the Bills for their first and second (8 and 40).
Using the 8th overall pick, we get Jay Cutler.
With the 12th pick we get LenDale White.
With the 35th pick we get Marcus McNeil or Eric Winston (whoever falls).
With the 40th pick we get Taitusi Lutui (He's the USC guard, over like 330 pounds).
With the 71st pick, we get Rodrique Wright.
With our 3rd round compensation pick via LaMont Jordan we get Devin Hester.
With the 100th pick we get Greg Eslinger.
With the 116th pick we get Ray Edwards.
After 4 rounds, look at what we have...
QB- Jay Cutler.
HB- Curtis Martin/LenDale White.
FB- BJ Askew.
WR1- Laveranues Coles.
WR2- Justin McCareins/Jerricho Cotchery (I say let there
be a battle).
TE- Chris Baker.
OT- Marcus McNeil/Eric Winston.
OG- Taitusi Lutui.
C- Greg Eslinger.
OG- Bradon Moore.
OT- Adrian Jones.
Defense..........
DE- Byran Thomas/Ray Edwards.
DT- Dewayne Robertson.
DT- Rodrique Wright.
DE- Shaun Ellis.
OLB- Eric Barton.
MLB- Jonathan Vilma.
OLB- Victor Hobson.
CB- Justin Miller.
SS- Kerry Rhodes.
FS- Erik Coleman.
CB- David Barrett.
P- Ben Graham.
K- Mike Nugent.
KR/PR- Devin Hester.
LS- Joel Dreesen (I think James Dearth will leave).
Then in rounds 5-7 just get some defensive and offensive line depth, a backup TE, like Brad Butler, James Wyche, and Anthony Mix, and then a LB for depth, like Leon Williams.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (theanalogkid @ Feb 19 2006, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just put DJ Shockley there because it seems the Patriots model is to draft QBs every year and see what you can get with them. They drafted Matt Cassel this year and released Rohan Davey because Davey is inaccurate. Besides I have Philip Rivers starting. He's cheap and can be cut next offseason if he doesn't work out. I'd imagine we'd be in a position to draft Brady Quinn anyway.

I value Ferguson over Young or Culter anyway. You could have Peyton Manning passing for us but if he's getting sacked because Fabini is constantly burned it's of no help to us. Fabini is the reason Pennington was injured this year again (atleast on the field, I blame Herm for letting him play at all). I also don't know if we should keep Bollinger or not. He really isn't the right size for an NFL QB and I think he'd have much better luck in the CFL.

If we were to pick a QB, I'd take Culter over the other two. Leinart doesn't have a big strong arm like Cutler and Young has odd throwing mechanics which won't help us in the immediate future. Besides that, Young won't be able to create his own throwing lanes when he runs, the windows aren't that big in the NFL.

How do we get Rivers?
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:19 AM

For QB I would prefer Vince Young. I think he's the best player besides Bush in the draft. As for us, I think we should ge D'BRick than for QB go with either Micheal Robinson or D.J. Shockley. Preferably Micheal Robinson.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:19 PM

I think the most ready starter is this Draft is D'Brickshaw Ferguson, that goes to you JerseyJet, and Vince Young will be a project, he's not a sure player.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:21 PM

we would never trade w/ the bills. the best thing we could do is just stay at 4 and draft dbrick

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE (penningtonpays @ Feb 19 2006, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we would never trade w/ the bills. the best thing we could do is just stay at 4 and draft dbrick


iagree.gif Put the foundation in place before getting the franchise QB as with a solid OLine the QB will be able to make the throws. If the OLine isn't there then we will see our franchise QB (whoever that may be) on the floor a lot of the time.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Feb 19 2006, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
iagree.gif Put the foundation in place before getting the franchise QB as with a solid OLine the QB will be able to make the throws. If the OLine isn't there then we will see our franchise QB (whoever that may be) on the floor a lot of the time.

But this Draft is so deep, we can hold off getting linemen till like rounda 2, hell even round 3.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Feb 19 2006, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But this Draft is so deep, we can hold off getting linemen till like rounda 2, hell even round 3.


DBrick will probably be capable of starting from day 1 whereas the guys available lower down in the draft probably won't.
Also with the QB situation I don't see Leinart or Young falling to the #4 spot. That would leave Cutler as the next best QB but he is no way worth the #4 pick. I don't like the idea of trading down and the only way I would want the FO to get another 1st rounder is by trading Abe (if not resigned).

I dont want to trade down because DBrick is a great, great prospect and a definite franchise Tackle, and as there is a hole a T we need to fill, why not pick him? Sure there are other Tackles available but none are as talented as DBrick that are coming out this year.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Feb 19 2006, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do we get Rivers?


Abe.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:45 PM

Ferguson is being compared to the likes of Orlando Pace, there is a big drop off with somebody like trueblood being solid or dbrick being amazing

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 01:07 PM

How many Quaterbacks that got drafted in the 1st 5 picks led thier teams to SBs? Eli Manning? Phil Rivers?
Alex Smith? Brady was a sixth round pick. I think guys in college that are studs might not have the potential to lead their teams to the big game. When was Roethlisberger drafted?
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (JerseyJet @ Feb 19 2006, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many Quaterbacks that got drafted in the 1st 5 picks led thier teams to SBs? Eli Manning? Phil Rivers?
Alex Smith? Brady was a sixth round pick. I think guys in college that are studs might not have the potential to lead their teams to the big game. When was Roethlisberger drafted?


Roethlisberger went 11th overall in 2004
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 01:30 PM

Guess what, Eli Manning has only been an NFL QB for 2 years, and when he was a rookie he wasn't starting every game. How many Ben Roethlisbergers do you think come out of the draft. Not every QB is going to lead their team to the SB in 2 years time. The 49ners are in rebuilding mode, they have to build around Smith first before they have a decent chance of making a SB run.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Feb 19 2006, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DBrick will probably be capable of starting from day 1 whereas the guys available lower down in the draft probably won't.
Also with the QB situation I don't see Leinart or Young falling to the #4 spot. That would leave Cutler as the next best QB but he is no way worth the #4 pick. I don't like the idea of trading down and the only way I would want the FO to get another 1st rounder is by trading Abe (if not resigned).

I dont want to trade down because DBrick is a great, great prospect and a definite franchise Tackle, and as there is a hole a T we need to fill, why not pick him? Sure there are other Tackles available but none are as talented as DBrick that are coming out this year.

You do make a good point, is it rather obvious that Ferguson is the most ready starter in the Draft. I wouldn't boo if we took him, I'd love him, his talent comes once a decade, but with so many holes to fill, getting extra picks might have to be they way to go, but seeing that we're rebuilding, staying where we are makes most sense.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 09:54 PM

I hope every Mel Kiper of the world reads this. This isn't some scripted mock, as many are, this is a different 1 round mock......
1. Texans- D'Brickshaw Ferguson.
2. Saints- AJ Hawk.
3. Titans- Matt Leinart.
4. Jets- Reggie Bush.
5. Packers- Mario Williams.
6. Raiders- Haloti Ngata.
7. 49ers- DeAngelo Williams.
8. Bills- Winston Justice.
8. Lions- Vince Young.
10. Cardinals- Jay Cutler.
11. Rams- Michael Huff.
12. Browns- Chad Greenway.
13. Ravens- LenDale White.
14. Eagles- Santonio Holmes.
15. Falcons- Jimmy Williams.
16. Dolphins- Ko Simpson.
17. Vikings- DeMeco Ryans.
18. Cowboys- Eric Winston.
19. Chargers- Darnell Bing.
20. Chiefs- Antonio Cromatie.
21. Patriots- Ernie Simms.
22. Broncos- Tamba Hali.
23. Buccaners- Bobby Carpenter.
24. Bengals- Gabe Watson.
25. Giants- Ashton Youboty.
26. Bears- Vernon Davis.
27. Panthers- Laurence Maroney.
28. Jaguars- Tye Hill.
29. Broncos- Chad Jacks0n.
30. Colts- Thomas Howard.
31. Seahawks- Max Jean Giles.
32. Steelers- Sincorine Moss.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:08 PM

Sorry to say but theres no way in hell, The Saints take AJ hawk with the 2nd overall pick.

and theres no way in hell vince young falls to the 8th overall pick
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:10 PM

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Sorry to say but theres no way in hell, The Saints take AJ hawk with the 2nd overall pick.

and theres no way in hell vince young falls to the 8th overall pick

Well, I think that's what teams should do, not will. I probably shoulda mentioned that...
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:40 PM

texans should draft bush, i dont blame them for not passing up talent like that even with dominck davis

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 02:30 PM

My desired offseason wishlist:

Do whatever it takes to restore the NYJets to championship form for the 2006 season. Whatever it takes, get it done!
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