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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Helloooooooooo
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Bueller
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:33 PM) Manish says the Jets should trade down and draft Andrus Peat round 1
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:39 PM) Even an idiot can say something that's right every now and then
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ May 18 2005, 01:02 PM)
I only listed the most recent. Zelda was a true RPG and the first 3 FFs sucked. Only 4 and 7 were decent. Definitely not revolutionary. The same choice menu. A hybrid was more like parasite eve not Zelda. Zelda had the right idea. FF bores you too much. D&D were great RPGs as well but the newer ones sucked. And I never played eye of the beholder. Like I said I had almost every system since calico. Minus sega Saturn and dreamcast. I’ll name all the ones I had. Calico, Atari, Nintendo, super Nintendo, sega genisis, PS1, Nintendo 64, GC, PS2, and xbox. I know RPGs. FF might be popular now only because what else does PS2 have? That’s why. Its like the only RPG for play station. That’s why its popular. If I didn’t have a choice I would play it too.


You keep shwoing your ignorance. As I already said, and if you actually did some research you would know this, no game at the time of the first FF had a soundtrack as that game (and even more so in the next three) did. THose were masterful soundtracks that have all been released as albums in Japan. The reason games like Halo have great soundtracks NOW, is because FF did it THEN.

Also as I already said, games back then didn't have storylines like FF. Rarely did was there extended dialogue scenes or did charcters go through any notable personality changes. The FFs were the games that took storylines seriously and worked them into the console system.

And as you can't see why Zelda is less of an RPG than Final Fantasy:

Let me explain what an RPG is. An RPG was, in its first form, a text game. The first and most famous of these was of course Dungeons and Dragons. A text RPG is based around a few things. There is a fairly complex system for measuring stats (such as strength, speed, intelligence, and experience gained). These systems are used to develop the charcters into more powerful entites. But because D&D was originally played by a GM verbally informing the other players of what was happening, letting them choose their reactions, and then using dice as a result (most importantly because all this was done without any physical representation of the world the charcters inhabitated) the game also emphasized storytelling. It was important for the GM to be able to relate what a monster, what the enviroment the charcters were in, what everything looked and/or smelled like. Thus RPGs became a genre in which a story was the binding force of the action. THe most successful RPGs have always been ones with well thought out plots. (also, let me emphasize again that the RPG has a tradition of havign no physical representation of the actual game, although later players began using drawn mazes and caves and scale modeled figures)

Early in the life of home computers developers were already trying to take these games and translate their systems into a video games. THe first truley successfull attempt were three games that used a first person view and a functional version of the D&D numbers system. From "rolling dice" to create your charcter to "rolling dice" to turn back and attack or resist a magic spell, these games simulated teh whole experience.

Now, with the Genre there, a lot of games started to come out based on the same ideas. Mostly they were semi-plot driven stories about a hero trying to save his village or lost love, and in the process getting some new equipment and some more life or magic powers. But for a long time nothing came out that really changed things. Then RPGs kind of forked (as I already pointed out, these two games were released within a month of each other).

On the one hand, there was Zelda. The first two Zelda games had simple stat increases (life and magic meters) and a couple weapon upgrades. But the game tended towards action as you moved the charcter around, fought monsters in real time, and in general had a much more physical game. In general, Zleda tended more towards a Bayou Billy or Byonic Commando than D&D.

Then there was Final Fantasy. FF tended towards the more true D&D style of RPG. THere was a large overworld map, and moving into areas triggered a shift into a smaller area. The charcters were much less linear than in many previous RPGs, and much more similar to D&D where you could choose your's charcter class, spells, armor from a wide assortment. When you fought a monster (which was essentailly a random event, with no monsters appearing on the overworld map), you were shifted to a batlle screen where you choose what type of attack to do and the game worked out what happened.

In addition, FF (and they really took it to new heights with IV) was the first console game with a fairly complex plot. The FFs (and I especially mean I-VI and IX) were extremly plot heavy (and so I guess could be called "boring" by some people more interested in action based games) that emphasized charcters' personalitys, their reaction to events, and charcter development.

Today, so many genres are so mixed it is hard not to start labeling most games with multiple names (action/RPG/adventure or FPS/action), and in particular many games made in the current era tend to have many elements of RPG. But a true RPG is always going to be a game that has a noticable nod to it's D&D heritage.


So I hope you see why Final Fantasy is a series that is by far more RPG than many others. As a side note, and I kinda of hinted at this earlier, the first...First Person games were RPGs. So those original D&D games were some of the literally most revolutinary games ever made.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:18 PM

That’s a very good post but your missing the whole point. FF wasn’t the first to do it. You said your self it was played w/o systems just dice then basically translated to games. Monopoly on the PC isn’t a breakthrough just a translation. Like playing magoc the card game (which I have never played) I don’t doubt FF was revolutionary but it wasn’t entertaining albeit I was very young when it first came out so that never interested me. I’m also not much of a book reader. A RPG is about taking someones role in a story and having an affect on the story as you grow older wiser and stronger and finally decide the ending based on your actions. Technically any game where you level up and learn and gai exp Etc. can be classified as an RPG. By you definition FF and D&D are the only RPGs. Morrowind had more text (I believe they said 5 times more the war and piece) in it but is nothing fitting into your description. Like I said good post but still not fully fact. More of an opinion. So ignorant isn’t what you should call me
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:34 PM

Nice try to blow off my argument. I called them "true" RPGs, but also called Zelda a branch of it. THere are RPGs with more action in them, but they aren;t as purely an RPG as these games. That makes them a blend. How much of a blend? Should they be called RPG/Action or Action/RPG? That is a different thing than what we are talking about. You said Zelda is more of an RPG than FF, and it isn't. D&D is what created teh term RPG, FF sticks more closely to that formula, Zelda contains much more action and less furthering than the charcter, and so FF is more of a true RPG than Zelda. Fact.

I called FF revolutionary for it's use of music, it's emphasis on charcter development (which no video game before amongst other things), and for it's successful translation of the D&D system into a video game. The D&D games did that.

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A RPG is about taking someones role in a story and having an affect on the story as you grow older wiser and stronger and finally decide the ending based on your actions. Technically any game where you level up and learn and gai exp Etc. can be classified as an RPG


Yes I said that. And just about every video game does that, NOW. Before the RPGs began changing things, video game charcters tended towards beign the same from start ot finish. A charcter's stats, weapons, etc didn't improve throughout the game. In today's games almost every charcter gets better as the game goes on, which is all based in the RPG tradition. But we both know that there is a difference between Morrowind or Fable and GTA or Grand Turismo (okay, GT is pretty close to RPGhood, but not GTA), so don't try to blur the line just to make my argument look bad.

If you don't like to read, than a game with loads of text and little direct action probably wouldn't intrest you. But there is a differnce between you not liking to read and being boring. I can promise you I find very few games to be as interesting as a lot of books.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 02:39 PM

Fact I didn’t say Zelda was more of an RPG. I said it is more of what an RPG should be. Basically saying that’s how I like my RPGs. Read first. There is no fact when it comes to games. A lot is a gray area. There are a lot of games that can be classified as RPG just like hunter the reckoning which started as what you call a traditiol RPG and now has become a hybrid. Fact is its all opinion. This is getting a little to far for something this petty. Can’t we just agree to disagree?
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 03:44 PM

PS3 is better now and will be better later than XBox360. That's the point of this post fellers! Who gives a *beep* about RPG's? You need an ass kicking system to play it on right? Right! So for better video game play, get a PS3. Or waste your money on an XBox. You'll get the MS MO, "If it's broke, dont fix it! Buy someone elses!" Like everything else MS does, they can't come up with new ideas nor increase the performance of the XBox due to lack of innovation and "creative" thinking.

So lets just agree to disagree on the rpg ... and once we all come to our senses we can agree that Xbox is gonna be eating the turds the PS3 left behind for it!
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:12 PM

Your right MS can’t come up with any ideas. All they did is create xbox live, internal hard drive, top graphics engine to date, the burn music for custom sound tracks ability, online stat tracking, etc. on their first try for a system. Sony was on its second and still couldn’t compare. I hate to say it but all you sony loyalists are idiots if you think that. Right now we don’t know which is better not until they come out. Hey I’m a knick fan and a huge loyalist to them but I’m realistic. They suck. That simple. I’ll probably wind up with the xbox 360 which I hear is also a tivo dvd burner and more. PS2 sucks compared to the xbox but who knows which one will be better but all I know is history repeats itself and if it does then the new xbox will be better
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 06:24 PM

hey moderators can this topic get moved, no offense but i amgetting sick of this...

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i dont want to be a biatch about it, but thats my two cents... when i come into the football forum it really throws off my mindset to read video game stuff, and i usuall yend up not reading it anyway... but eh, i digress
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 06:59 PM

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ May 18 2005, 12:31 AM)
Notice. I never posted during this argument. WHy? because I cannot get into these arguments. I have too much to say. and way too little time to say it. Like right now I should have been asleep for like 2 hours already but I had to come here. You know what? This is my last ever post. I need to get my time in priority. I have no time since I've been home between work and my social life. I'm sorry but I respect you all and love this place, but I need my life back and while I was about to post my feelings on the games spoken previously about I decided I couldnt say it all. Good luck to you all and GO JETS!

You're kidding right? I hope you are, I'll miss you. But this belongs elsewhere, it was wierd to find it here.
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