Xbox 2 Or Playstation 3?
Posted 17 May 2005 - 11:14 PM
Posted 23 May 2005 - 12:50 PM
NYTimes - Nintendogs vs. Gangs
May 23, 2005
A Video Match: The Nintendogs vs. Gangs, Thugs and Wars
By ROBERT LEVINE
At the Electronics Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles last week, the demonstration booth for Nintendo seemed like an island of innocence amid the retorts of digitized gunfire.
While most game publishers showed sequels, sports simulations and shooting games based on grim tropes such as gang violence and World War II, Nintendo was promoting, among other games, Nintendogs. It lets players raise and train virtual pets on the Nintendo DS, the dual-screen hand-held game machine released last year.
Developed by Shigeru Miyamoto, who created the Mario Brothers and Legend of Zelda franchises, Nintendogs is exactly the kind of game the company is known for: addictive, odd and more than a little cute. Nintendo's Game Boy and DS systems dominate the market for hand-held games, and it just announced that it would introduce Game Boy Micro, a sleek, pocket-size machine, this fall.
But the focus at the expo was on the console business, where Nintendo lags. In part because of its image as a console for children, Nintendo's GameCube has only 20 percent of the market in the United States, trailing the PlayStation 2 from Sony by a large margin and the Xbox from Microsoft by a smaller one, according to the NPD group, a market research firm.
"It is not sufficient when it comes to market share," said Satoru Iwata, the president of Nintendo, speaking through a translator in an interview. "But market share is not everything; think about profitability."
For the last two fiscal years, Nintendo's operating margin has been about 25 percent, according to the company. Sony's games business is profitable, but Microsoft's has lost money.
Last week, Sony unveiled its PlayStation 3 and Microsoft showed off its Xbox 360, both of which will feature high-definition video and impressive processing power.
When Nintendo introduced its next console, the Revolution, it avoided talking about specifications, but implicitly conceded that the machine might be less technically impressive than its competitors.
"It has the power of a Ferrari, and they are talking about Saturn rockets," said Mr. Iwata, referring to the three consoles. "But we are traveling on earth."
Instead of superior technology, he said, Nintendo would set itself apart as it has in the past, with imaginative games. The company is the second-largest game seller in the United States, behind Electronic Arts. But that advantage could be hard to maintain as consumer tastes change. Over the last five years, Mario has lost market share to the thugs of Grand Theft Auto as the audience for video games has gotten older and the games themselves have moved into the mainstream of pop culture.
The Revolution will move Nintendo even farther away from the other two console makers. Both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 represent components of a parent company's master media plan. Sony's console, for example, will use the proprietary Blu-ray DVD format.
Nintendo is interested only in selling games, and the Revolution will need an extra attachment even to play regular DVD's. However, Revolution will play classic Nintendo games from the 80's and 90's that will be available for downloading, including Super Mario Brothers and Metroid.
"They're bobbing while everyone else is weaving," said Scott Steinberg, a vice president of Sega America, which makes games for all consoles. "They've always been about family entertainment, not just technology."
But even with its own popular titles, Nintendo will need support from such outside game makers. It will have to convince them that it can maintain enough market share to make their products viable. Some games, such as the 2K Sports series, are made only for PlayStation and Xbox.
"For a company like Activision, it's less about the market share and more about the economic model," said Kathy Vrabeck, president of Activision Publishing. The question, she said, was whether it made sense to release titles on a third console. "To date, on our older skewing titles for hardcore gamers, the answer is: yes, it is."
Hit games are crucial to console sales. "This is an industry where younger consumers aspire up," said Reggie Fils-Aime, executive vice president of sales and marketing at Nintendo of America, and any machine seen as a mere toy could be shunned. He pointed out that releases like "The Legend of Zelda" appealed to hardcore gamers in their 20's and 30's, some of whom played the early games when they were children.
"I think we were unfairly pigeonholed as a child's system, and I don't think we successfully challenged that," he said. He wants to expand Nintendo's market share by drawing in people who aren't traditional gamers with products that are not traditional games. One recent GameCube title, "Donkey Konga," came with a set of bongo drums that players had to hit in time to music and cues on-screen.
"They're really pushing innovation in game play," said J Allard, who oversees the Xbox business for Microsoft. "But they didn't reveal enough about Revolution for me to have an opinion."
In effect, Nintendo is betting that the games of the future will not demand more power than the Revolution delivers, according to Michael Pachter, a research analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities. "But I think they're wrong. It's a macho business." Even so, he said, he was impressed with the creativity of Nintendogs, which he described as brilliant.
It would seem that Nintendo's products are aimed at the child in all of us. At the end of the interview, Mr. Iwata took out a Nintendo DS running a product in development, in which math equations ran up the screen and players had to solve them quickly. The software will be able to track players' scores over the course of a day, week or month.
"My mother is playing with this now," Mr. Iwata said. "I think Nintendo is the only publisher in the world that is willing to make this kind of application."
Posted 23 May 2005 - 01:06 PM
Posted 30 May 2005 - 03:33 AM
besides the fact that I just like playstation better than xbox(even though xbox is a better macine)....
but PS3 beats the Xbox360 in every single category spec wise. So you already have a stronger, faster, more capable machine. Also the 360 is using a brand new water cooling system along with their tri-processors and ati cards(which run hot normally)...so if they dont have all the kinks worked out in their water cooling system, the 360 will start to bog down, loose performance...and lag...etc...which wouldnt be good. Plus the Xbox wont be using the blueray technology, which is suppost to become industry standard within the next 3-5 years...so that blows.
plus I just like the PS3.
if I can save enough money to afford a 360...then that means I could earn enough for a PS3 aswell....because there are afew 360-exclusive titles that have caught my eye....
Both are great machines...I'm not saying Xbox sucks...but Sony has beat them this year spec wise....on paper atleast.
Posted 31 May 2005 - 08:41 AM
Posted 31 May 2005 - 10:49 AM
either system has advantages and disadvantages
i know i have a spec sheet post or two on why in the Halo? Metroid? Red Faction? thread
but again ill say this
xbox is more powerful
playstation is quicker
nintendo is to be determined
Posted 31 May 2005 - 12:06 PM
Posted 31 May 2005 - 03:16 PM
PS3 :3.2GHz Cell w/ 7 SPEs 2.0 TFLOPS
Xbox 360 :3.2GHz G5 w/ 3 Cores 1.0 TFLOPS
PS3 :256MB XDR @ 3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 @ 700MHz
Xbox 360 :512MB GDDR3 @ 700MHz 10MB Embedded DRAM
PS3 :550MHz NVIDIA
Xbox 360 :500MHz ATi
PS3 :1080p Standard Dual Screen Output
Xbox 360 :1080i Optional Single Screen Output
Posted 31 May 2005 - 03:22 PM
PS3 is at 1.9 Tflops....
so you have an entire level PS3 beats the Xbox in that sense. And thats with a single chip. Xbox requires 3 processors to reach that same level. Just because it has more processors doesnt mean its automatically quicker. The processor cell PS3 uses has a mulitple layer pipeline which makes it faster.
3.2ghz memory over 700mhz ....plus from what I've heard, the embedded dram is actually slower and does not transfer information in/out at the same time as efficient. But thats what I've heard.
The Nvidia chip is better period...not just because of the 50 extra Mhz...but the new technology it uses is pretty crazy...I dont know all the details...but they released afew press conferences with Nvidia afew months ago and at E3. The Ati chip is a good chip, but it runs hot, and is prone to bog down and lag in its data transfer rate, so its possible it wont run as efficiently. It may run perfect...but there is always the chance the heat will get to it.
Plus you can hook up 2 HDTV's to a PS3 *sigh*
Posted 31 May 2005 - 03:29 PM
I want to get both....if I can afford it...if not I am going with the PS3.
I just dont buy how most people say "The Xbox360 blows the PS3 out of the water....its so much better...PS3 cant even touch what the 360 can do"
mmm that statement is pure BS....show me something that the 360 does that BLOWS the PS3 away....
from what I know...and from what I'm looking at. The systems are overall equal...if not the the PS3 slightly better.
Posted 31 May 2005 - 03:34 PM
PS > Xbox
Posted 31 May 2005 - 08:51 PM
do my words mean nothing to you cause im not your friend?
just look at the teraflop processing speed
matter of fact
PS3 has Xbox360 in at least that category
you cant deny it
and if you do ima do something i just might regret
DSA you forget though that nvidia is not a pure power chip and the reason why it runs cooler than ATI is because it doesnt use all of its horses
thats probably why the PS3 went up an extra 50 MHz with the chips
to compensate for the power
Posted 31 May 2005 - 10:26 PM
thats probably why the PS3 went up an extra 50 MHz with the chips
to compensate for the power"
that is a good point...I totally forgot to put that into the equation
god you're so smart...you amaze me *sigh*
Posted 01 June 2005 - 08:23 AM