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MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:50 PM) 4 turnovers and a Punt return TD
MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:58 PM) If fitz can be smart with the ball and Marshall Decker and Ivory and stay healthy I think we can beat anyone
santana Icon : (05 October 2015 - 02:36 PM) http://www.sun-senti...1005-story.html
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:16 PM) I get it to a point why everyone is making a big deal about that missed call because difference between a win and a loss but I have never seen that call made in over 30 years of watching NFL so I guarantee that none of the fans , coaches or players new the rule. Yes the refs should know all the rules but they aren't computers and it's impossible for them to remember all the 1000's of rules. Especially an old rule no one but the officials ever heard of before. 22 new officials didn't help either. It took an old long time official now retired from officiating to tell the world the rule. Everyone and the officials will remember that rule from now on after all the media
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) Lions fans are b*tching like hell about it. We would be if it happened to us but I think it's a bad rule any way and should be scrapped. If the defense causes the offensive player to fumble in the end zone because the defense makes a good play I personally think it would be bullshit to give the fumbling team the ball back. If the ball went out of bounds on its own or if a player tried to recover it and the ball went out of the end zone it's not a penalty. Both cases are a touchback so I feel that giving the ball back to the offense that fumbled it because of the defense batting the ball out of the end zone if the offense recovered the ball it would be a td so it would be bullshit to give them the ball back because of a simple ball bat. Rule should really be changed
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) It's ok for the offense to deliberately take a safety to prevent a TD and only give up 2 points an benefit themselves so yeah I think it is an old out of date rule that should be thrown out. If the d makes a great play they shouldn't have to give the offense the ball back because of a stupid rule
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) So I'm glad it wasn't called
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) Hope it's changed next year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) it's been called a ton of times, they showed a montage o ESPN last night of a bunch of times it's been called
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) just because one player made a great play, doesn't mean you can excuse someone making a bonehead play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) chancellor made a great play (remember when i wanted the jets to draft him?) but the LBer should have not illegally batted it, he could have tried to recover it or body blocked det from recovering.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) Not sure what ESPN you had on ESPN China? I left ESPN on for 2 hours after the game and I never seen this montage you say. I'm calling you out as bullshit. Show me a video of proof
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:38 PM) Even the old ESPN official couldn't remember an instance of it being called. It isn't the same as the offense backing out of the end zone with the ball or being sacked in the end zone for a safety. Completely different rule and situation. I've never seen it called and I watch at least 6 games at a time a week. None of the ESPN announcer players, Ray Lewis, Dilfer, or Young even knew the rule and that's over 20 years of NFL experience. Yet none of them knew or understood the rule until it was explained in detail
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:40 PM) I've never once seen the ball given back to to offense so I challenge you to show me this montage you claim was on. If I didn't see it for two hours I after the game I'm calling bullshit on your end
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:43 PM) Say whatever you want but show me proof or just leave it be because I won't believe you without a bunch of video proof. I have a hell of a memory and if it ever was called maybe once or twice in the past 30 years but no way there is some montage
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:48 PM) Nether coach knew the rule either and they would know more of the rules than the players and fans. If not for a retired official bringing it up it probably would've never even been brought up at all
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:58 PM) I highly questionable is on now and they are even saying no one knew the rule or complained until they were told the rule.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:05 PM) I have seen plenty of games where defenders did knock the ball out of the end zone like the situation last night to prevent any possible touchdown not disputing that because that has happened a good many times. My point is I've never seen a flag thrown for it and the ball given to the offense. It's definitely an obsolete rule that should be thrown out. The NFL has made the rules so offensive friendly these days it's hard to play defense with out calls anymore. That is just one more bullshit rule to help the offense. Take the Jets Dolphins game for instance. Those bullshit pi calls against our defense for clearly uncatchable balls. Pi never should've never been called giving up like 60 yards on two calls and a td that never would've happened. At most they should've been 5 yard holding calls. Never would've been mad if they just called them holding calls.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:06 PM) Anyway I'm tired of all these offense friendly rules these days screwing over the defenses. It's starting to get like non touch flag football for the defenses.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:11 PM) You know it too. Our team has been a defensive team for well over a decade and so many bullshit calls have been called against our defense because of the new offensive friendly rules. So I say screw Detroit. I'm glad it wasn't called and a defense gets a break
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
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  1. In Topic: Jets Bills Giants

    Posted 8 Oct 2015

    Yeah Clay is legit.

    As far as who has the better qb you have a good point and after reading up on Taylor Id say its to hard to tell at this point.

    Fitz is a journeyman sometimes looking amazing, sometimes average, and sometimes terrible but to his credit he hasn't been on the best teams with the best weapons. So what kind of qb Fitz really is at this point is debatable and still in question.

    After doing some research Taylor backed up Flacco with really no chance of starting. Other than a couple of plays he only played in one game in his career before this year. Week 17 of 2012. Ravens had division locked up. Taylor didn't start but he played the majority of the game and played ok for his first real NFL game action. In 2015 he comes to the Bills as the 3rd string qb and completely beats out the top 2 qbs ahead of him for the starting job. He has looked really good in some of the games Ive seen him play in and also to note Mccoy keeps getting injured as well as Watkins so he is playing without some of his major weapons.

    But yeah I got your point. Its to early to judge him based on 4 games.

    As far as the AFC Championships I fully blame Sanchez. But that's in the past so lets leave that be. Over with no sense in dwelling on something 5 and 6 years ago.

    With Rex. A lot of us like him and think he is cool. Whether he is a good head coach or a bad head coach I honestly haven't decided yet for sure but I do believe he is a much better head coach than most of us think.Lets be honest...in 09-10 he had a young qb that played terrible and had a running game and defense that bailed the qb out.

    2011 on Tanny screwed up the team and we had no kind of offense an aging dline and all we could really do is run the ball. Then after Tanny was fired the team has been in rebuilding mode until this year so who Rex really is as a coach is debatable and everyone feels different on whether he should be a head coach or not. I'm actually glad he got another shot at head coaching with a solid team. I just wish it wasn't in our division. I haven't read up on why he is with the Bills whether that was his only head coaching job offer or maybe he just wanted to keep living in NY. Who knows. But he will have his shot to prove himself again. If you look at it another way. Look how many super star head coaches that are in the league now that sucked in their first and some even in second head coaching chance. Belichick and Carrol are a few.

    As far as Rex`s brother I dont even know how he still is a defensive coach. He obviously doesn't have the defensive knowledge his brother had. Either that or he just doesn't have enough good defensive talent.

    With Fitz this is the most solid team he has been on and if he wasn't in the top 4 in the league in qb hits which doesn't include pressured throws with better protection he probably would be playing a lot better with better protection. I'm still amazed that he only has 2 sacks in 50 hits. that alone is amazing.

    And I do blame Smith for some of Fitz`s ints. The reports were spot on so far. Body catcher and gets manhandled by physical corners. 2 of Fitz`s picks were to Smith in the Eagles game.Some people blame Fit I blame Smith. The next game an almost identical throw to Marshall and pass coverage and Marshall took the ball Smith let the corner take the ball from him. The int over the middle I cant be positive but as far away as Smith was from the ball I believe Smith ran the route wrong but its just a theory I believe because when Fitz throws to Kerley, Decker, or Marshall even if the ball is not thrown perfectly the ball is usually in the area of the wr but the Smith pass was like 3 yards off target and Fitz usually isn't that far off with his throws normally.

    I'm not giving up on Smith as a rookie yet but he needs to really hit the weight room and needs to be given a trainer to push the heck out of him into developing a strong core body strength hand or ball catcher who cares as long as he catches the balls. And He really needs a lot of work at better route running. His size means nothing if he lets defenders push him off of his routes easily.

    Id rather have Kerley as the 3rd wr at least for now. He may be small but he is fast with great hands and proven to run great routes. Kerley is a legitimate 3rd wr on pretty much any team unless our other two big wr`s show vast improvement.

    I dont know how everyone feels about Smith but I do know all of us like Kerley. He is very reliable for a small wr. Definitely not a 1st or 2nd wr but solid at 3rd. Smith should be dropped in the depth chart for now and have coaches and trainers on him all day working on precise route running and having him vigorously train cardio and strength training. I cant see Smith being good this year but if he works all season and off season with coaches and strength and conditioning trainers Smith could be a huge asset next year. His biggest problem is strength so he needs to get stronger so he wont get pushed around by corners anymore Especially with his size he shouldn't be pushed off his routes so easily.
  2. In Topic: Jets Bills Giants

    Posted 8 Oct 2015

    Dude I was going torag the hell out of you for using such a piss poor site. Either the person using the math has a sh*tty formula and doesn't know how to create a true algorithm or its some geek that knows math but knows zero about football.

    Compare your site to NFL.come and look at the teams with the lowest qb hits. Those are the teams that are protecting their qb the best. A sack is still considered a qb hit and that site you are referencing doesn't even factor in qb hits. QB pressures are one thing but hits have to be factored in for qb protection

    The site you are using for the oline has completely different ranking list for oline qb protection because it doesn't factor in hits on the qb at all.

    qb hits in 4 games

    Whats amazing is that Fitz has been hit that many times and only had 2 sacks. That many hits greatly increase chance of serious injury.

    I dont know about you but Id much rather a qb take only 15 hits and 6 of them being sacks than the qb taking 50 hits with only 2 of them sacks. Yes with sacks the qb is taken to the ground with the ball but on many hits the qb is still crushed to the ground. Brady and Rodgers get great protection.
  3. In Topic: Jets Stats

    Posted 5 Oct 2015

    View PostMikeGangGreenFan2, on 05 October 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

    We are Also on pace for 52 Takeaways on Defense!!

    Not happening. If it does I'd be amazed. Considering 10 of the turnovers were the first two weeks. 1 turnover last week and 2 this week against

    Nice to hope but logically I don't see it if we manage 30 I will be surprised. The defense causing 5 turnovers like they did each of the first two weeks isn't likely to happen very often. Especially when facing teams that are actually good.

    Still though it is nice to be first in Turnovers caused.


    As long as Decker and Marshall are both playing and there aren't many throws to Devin Smith Fitz won't have a ton of ints. Your second stat of what you project of Fitz is more likely. That said we haven't faced any good defenses yet so he may screw up and throw a lot of picks if they start hitting him even more. The way our offensive line is giving up qb hits we will probably end up #1 in the league in qb hits allowed by the end of the year after facing the good defenses
  4. In Topic: Jets Bills Giants

    Posted 5 Oct 2015

    View PostJetsfan115, on 05 October 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

    we've played 3 mobile QBs (manziel/mcknown, luck, and tannehill) we're getting hits and pressure just not sacks and thos pressures are resulting in a lot of the turnovers.

    Did you even understand what I posted. The teams we hav faced have not been elite teams. The Jets are by far the highest blitzing team in the league so averaging less than 2 sacks a game against 4 bad teams isn't good. What are going to do against good teams and teams with good offensive lines? It doesn't bode well if you look at it logically.

    So yes the low sack rate is a concern.

    And I clearly mentioned the team defense hits but couldn't find an updated team defense stat for pressures and hits. Every site I came across that listed them by team were for previous seasons or bye a single defensive player. If you can find a site that lists an updated team defensive qb hit and pressure stat list please list it.

    Next you disregarded the fact that Fitz has been hit 50 times 3rd in the NFL for qb hits allowed. And that's against bad teams. So that is a major concern. If you don't think so then you need to think again. Those 50 hits in 4 games were against 4 bad teams with bad defenses. That is is a clear statement we have major online issues. Especially as much as this team runs the ball to have 50 qb hits allowed makes it even worse. We are a running team not a passing team so 50 qb hits allowed against bad teams looms large. Especially when we face good teams and good or great defenses.

    There are already 4 top 10 qbs that have been injured and missed games or on IR and many more that are playing hurt. Fitz may not be great and only average but he plays well enough not to be the main cause of losing games. If Fitz keeps getting hit it's inevitable that he will get hurt. I don't know about you but I don't trust Geno enough to roll with him.

    Heck I was actually shocked when I saw that stat about allowing 3rd most qb hits in the league. I didn't think our online was allowing that many hits. Fitz is averaging but if he gets hit on 75% of the passing plays it makes sense why a lot of his throws are off. No qb wants to be laying on the ground after a linebacker or massive doing player hit on nearly every pass.
  5. In Topic: Studs And Duds

    Posted 28 Sep 2015

    View PostJetsfan115, on 28 September 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

    I seen the game, i know which play you are talking about (3rd quarter one). I still went and watched the video (did you) because it only shows 1 angle. smith has him beat and outside position, CB has inside position, fits throws it short and inside right into the DBs arms, if fitz puts it deeper and outside it's an easy TD. Found teh clip with the 3 angles, fitz threw it right into the DBs hands, smith did what he could reaching over and trying to grab it with 1 hand, but lats face it, not many WRs could pull that off. maybe julio and calvin and that's it. How can you blame smith for that?

    Well I'm glad you found the three angle view. It does show a lot more than just watching the one view in the highlights.

    Anyone one else that wants to see the 3 angle view that shows a lot more of that int should look for a separate video that`s labeled "Eric Rowe first interception". I actually recommend that everyone interested in why me and 115 are disagreeing on the in and also agreeing to a point watch the 3 angle video it does show where both the wr and qb both screwed up.Its really worth looking at.

    115 all I'm trying to say really is from playing myself for 15 years until my back got messed up and then the failed back surgery damaged my spinal cord and watching enough NFL since 1983 and constantly hearing the coaches nad receivers receivers in post game interviews,ESPN retired player analysts, NFL Network analysts Hard Knocks, etc. always stating about getting the inside position and the great corners stating the same thing. Unless corner is beat to the point where they cant catch up and inside or outside doesn't matter for the wr and corner being on the inside is the most important thing in most cases in pass plays. The exceptions are the all time great beast receivers that can take a ball in double and triple coverage like Jones and Marshall and a few other massive receivers with stellar hands.

    I blame them both equally. Good route running is just as important as accurate throws. So I say Smith and Fitz both screwed up on that particular int1 after seeing so many views.

    I actually think we are on the same page but just took a while to get there.

    Whether it be a circle route, quick slant, 5-10 and in, deep slant(goal or post slant),Out and in, or a down the field throw if the corner has inside position the receiver is usually in trouble.

    As stated before the only exceptions are a back shoulder pass, or a trick pass where the ball is deliberately under-thrown and the receiver does a sudden stop and cuts back to fake out the corner while the corner runs ahead or a planned back-shoulder pass by and accurate qb. Other than that unless the corner is clearly beaten with no chance to catch up like with the picture you posted of the Julio Jones route. The corner in that play was 2-3 yards behind Jones and had no chance unless the ball would've been severely under thrown.

    As far as Marshall like you I dont blame him as much as some of the others. He was doing everything he could to try to put the team on his back after a slow start and being down big Marshall was literally beasting it. The reason I gave him a dud because that failed lateral attempt was in the 2nd quarter. If it would have been late in the 4th I would not have blamed him for trying that. When questioned in the interview Marshall this is what Marshall said

    "Oh, my gosh, I was waiting for that [question]," Marshall said with a heavy sigh when asked about the lateral. "Wrong time to gamble. I was pressing, trying to make a play. But you can’t do that.

    "That was probably the worst play in NFL history."

    And he knew it. You dont try that in the 2nd quarter

    As far as the Brandon Marshall tip Thurman interception after finding a better video of the pass that showed it like 4 times in different speeds and watching it on full screen on my 65 inch tv I found some really good views of pass and attempted catch. The ball being thrown high wasn't the problem at all. The height of the pass was well within Marshall`s length and easy for him to catch height wise.

    So Ive changed my mine on this one and blame Fitz for this after seeing dozens of videos of this pass from different angles and closeups.The game replay angles of the pass looked completely different. Its nice to too get more angles of these passes so we can break them down better after the game.

    Marshall still could have caught the ball or kept it from being intercepted but these angles of videos and closeups Marshall actually misjudged the ball closed his hands early. The ball didn't go through his hands at all like it looked on the other video angles.The ball hit Marshall's finger tips from misjudging the ball. The ball hitting him in the top of his fingers is what caused it to be intercepted.

    Had Marshall not misjudged the ball and it hit him in the hands the ball either would've been caught or went out of bounds. The reason the pass is Fitz`s fought is because of the angle of the ball. He threw the pass to Marshall at a weird angle across the field like a 30-45 degree angle and away from Marshall`s body. Not an easy ball for a receiver to catch. Even if the ball would've been at chest height instead of slightly high the angle of the pass across the field it made the ball really hard to time the catch since the ball still would've been away from Marshall`s body. Basically Marshall would've still had to reach out for an angled across the ball pass even if it were at chest height.

    So give Marshall a pass on this one. Fitz threw a ball he shouldn't have at across the field with to many defenders around Marshall.

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