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Jets win 3-1. Beat dolphins so bad that philbin isnt allowed back from england.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:50 PM) 4 turnovers and a Punt return TD
MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:58 PM) If fitz can be smart with the ball and Marshall Decker and Ivory and stay healthy I think we can beat anyone
santana Icon : (05 October 2015 - 02:36 PM) http://www.sun-senti...1005-story.html
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:16 PM) I get it to a point why everyone is making a big deal about that missed call because difference between a win and a loss but I have never seen that call made in over 30 years of watching NFL so I guarantee that none of the fans , coaches or players new the rule. Yes the refs should know all the rules but they aren't computers and it's impossible for them to remember all the 1000's of rules. Especially an old rule no one but the officials ever heard of before. 22 new officials didn't help either. It took an old long time official now retired from officiating to tell the world the rule. Everyone and the officials will remember that rule from now on after all the media
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) Lions fans are b*tching like hell about it. We would be if it happened to us but I think it's a bad rule any way and should be scrapped. If the defense causes the offensive player to fumble in the end zone because the defense makes a good play I personally think it would be bullshit to give the fumbling team the ball back. If the ball went out of bounds on its own or if a player tried to recover it and the ball went out of the end zone it's not a penalty. Both cases are a touchback so I feel that giving the ball back to the offense that fumbled it because of the defense batting the ball out of the end zone if the offense recovered the ball it would be a td so it would be bullshit to give them the ball back because of a simple ball bat. Rule should really be changed
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) It's ok for the offense to deliberately take a safety to prevent a TD and only give up 2 points an benefit themselves so yeah I think it is an old out of date rule that should be thrown out. If the d makes a great play they shouldn't have to give the offense the ball back because of a stupid rule
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) So I'm glad it wasn't called
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) Hope it's changed next year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) it's been called a ton of times, they showed a montage o ESPN last night of a bunch of times it's been called
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) just because one player made a great play, doesn't mean you can excuse someone making a bonehead play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) chancellor made a great play (remember when i wanted the jets to draft him?) but the LBer should have not illegally batted it, he could have tried to recover it or body blocked det from recovering.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) Not sure what ESPN you had on ESPN China? I left ESPN on for 2 hours after the game and I never seen this montage you say. I'm calling you out as bullshit. Show me a video of proof
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:38 PM) Even the old ESPN official couldn't remember an instance of it being called. It isn't the same as the offense backing out of the end zone with the ball or being sacked in the end zone for a safety. Completely different rule and situation. I've never seen it called and I watch at least 6 games at a time a week. None of the ESPN announcer players, Ray Lewis, Dilfer, or Young even knew the rule and that's over 20 years of NFL experience. Yet none of them knew or understood the rule until it was explained in detail
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:40 PM) I've never once seen the ball given back to to offense so I challenge you to show me this montage you claim was on. If I didn't see it for two hours I after the game I'm calling bullshit on your end
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:43 PM) Say whatever you want but show me proof or just leave it be because I won't believe you without a bunch of video proof. I have a hell of a memory and if it ever was called maybe once or twice in the past 30 years but no way there is some montage
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:48 PM) Nether coach knew the rule either and they would know more of the rules than the players and fans. If not for a retired official bringing it up it probably would've never even been brought up at all
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:58 PM) I highly questionable is on now and they are even saying no one knew the rule or complained until they were told the rule.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:05 PM) I have seen plenty of games where defenders did knock the ball out of the end zone like the situation last night to prevent any possible touchdown not disputing that because that has happened a good many times. My point is I've never seen a flag thrown for it and the ball given to the offense. It's definitely an obsolete rule that should be thrown out. The NFL has made the rules so offensive friendly these days it's hard to play defense with out calls anymore. That is just one more bullshit rule to help the offense. Take the Jets Dolphins game for instance. Those bullshit pi calls against our defense for clearly uncatchable balls. Pi never should've never been called giving up like 60 yards on two calls and a td that never would've happened. At most they should've been 5 yard holding calls. Never would've been mad if they just called them holding calls.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:06 PM) Anyway I'm tired of all these offense friendly rules these days screwing over the defenses. It's starting to get like non touch flag football for the defenses.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:11 PM) You know it too. Our team has been a defensive team for well over a decade and so many bullshit calls have been called against our defense because of the new offensive friendly rules. So I say screw Detroit. I'm glad it wasn't called and a defense gets a break
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
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  1. Refs And Possible Reason For So Many Bad Calls And Non Calls

    Posted 4 Oct 2015

    NFL hired 13 new officials for 2014 season and 9 more new for 2015 season. 22 New officials in the span of two years. So we have a lot of sophomore and rookie Refs in the game.

    If you wish you can read about it on the Washington Post.

    NFL Replaces 22 officials
  2. Jets Bills Giants

    Posted 4 Oct 2015

    Did some research after the Bills were dismantled by the Giants. Because The Bills are a bvery similiar team to the Jets. we have better receivers. They have a better qb and a better te


    Jets 7 sacks(Tied 15th) 6 ints (Tied 3rd) 0 int tds 7 FF 7FR (1st) 0 FR tds

    Bills 7 sacks(Tied 15th) 6 ints (Tied 3rd) 1 int tds 3 FF 3FR (Tied 11th) 0 FR tds

    Giants 5 Sacks(Tied 25th) 5 ints (Tied 6th) 0 int tds 5 FF 2FR (Tied 16th) 1 FR tds

    Offense Oline

    Jets 2 qb Sacks allowed 50 qb hits allowed (hits rank 3rd worst in NFL)

    Bills 10 qb Sacks allowed 32 qb hits allowed (hits rank 7th worst in NFL)

    Giants 4 qb Sacks allowed 40 qb hits allowed (hits rank 5th worst in NFL)

    I couldn't find defensive qb hits through week 4 but there are a two very alarming problems here in these stats

    First for a defensive line that is supposed to be really dominate we aren't even averaging 2 sacks a game through 4 weeks. Pathetic because we haven't faced any elite teams yet.

    Second after seeing we have given up 50 hits on the qb that is really bad. makes more sense why Fitz`s passes are erratic. being the 3rd worst offensive line for qb hits is utterly pathetic.
  3. Final Updated 2015 Draft Order

    Posted 14 Dec 2014

    FINAL DRAFT ORDER......for 20 teams not in playoffs.

    Note:Chargers and Chiefs tied for 17th pick. Coin flip will decide which team picks 17th and which team picks 18th.


    The Bucs went into the weekend with a slim lead in the SOS tiebreaker -- essentially, if teams finish with the same record, the one whose opponents won fewer games gets to pick first. A pair of underdog winners -- the Texans beating the Ravens and the Giants beating the Rams -- helped the Bucs and hurt the Titans, enough to put the Bucs in control of the top of the draft.

    Final Updated DRAFT ORDER (teams not in playoffs)

    1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    2014 record: 2-14 (.486)
    Top three needs: OL, pass rusher, QB

    2. Tennessee Titans
    2014 record: 2-14 (.506)
    Top three needs: QB, pass rusher, CB

    3. Jacksonville Jaguars
    2014 record: 3-13 (.514)
    Top three needs: OT, CB, RB

    4. Oakland Raiders
    2014 record: 3-13 (.570)
    Top three needs: Pass rusher, CB, WR

    5. Washington Redskins
    2014 record: 4-12 (.496)
    Top three needs: Pass rusher, DB, OT

    6. New York Jets
    2014 record: 4-12 (.543)
    Top three needs: QB, CB, OT

    7. Chicago Bears
    2014 record: 5-11 (.529)
    Top three needs: Pass rusher, LB, DB

    8. Atlanta Falcons
    2014 record: 6-10 (.482)
    Top three needs: Pass rusher, TE, DB

    9. New York Giants
    2014 record: 6-10 (.512)
    Top three needs: Pass rusher, OL, ILB

    10. St. Louis Rams
    2014 record: 6-10 (.531)
    Top three needs: QB, CB, RB

    11. Minnesota Vikings
    2014 record: 7-9 (.475)
    Top three needs: OT, RB, CB

    12. Cleveland Browns
    2014 record: 7-9 (.479)
    Top three needs: WR, ILB, DL

    13. New Orleans Saints
    2014 record: 7-9 (.486)
    Top three needs: CB, pass rusher, QB

    14. Miami Dolphins
    2014 record: 8-8 (.512)
    Top three needs: LB, CB, OT

    15. San Francisco 49ers
    2014 record: 8-8 (.527)
    Top three needs: QB (backup), OL (depending on their free agents), DL

    16. Houston Texans
    2014 record: 9-7 (.447)
    Top three needs: QB, WR, OT

    17. Kansas City Chiefs
    2014 record: 9-7 (.512)
    Top three needs: WR, OT, CB

    17. San Diego Chargers
    2014 record: 9-7 (.512)
    Top three needs: CB (Brandon Flowers is on one-year deal), NT, OL

    NOTE: Chiefs and Chargers ARE TIED FOR 17th PICK. COIN FLIP WILL DETERMINE who picks 17th and who picks 18th

    19. Buffalo Bills (pick owned by Cleveland Browns)
    2014 record: 9-7 (.516)
    Top three needs: QB, LB, S

    20. Philadelphia Eagles
    2014 record: 10-6 (.490)
    Top three needs: CB, S, OLB

    Draft Order Rules:

    (2)Schedule strength (harder schedule strength lower pick not higher)
    (3)Conference wins
    (4)Divisional records
    (5)Coin toss

    Complete Draft Rules

    Note: Draft order for playoff teams yet to be decided.

    Draft Order Rules for 12 teams in playoffs:

    (1)Playoffs wins and losses
    (2)Regular season records
    (3)Regular season schedule strength
    (4)Conference wins
    (5)Divisional records
    (6)Coin toss

    (1)Losing team in Wild-card Round decide picks 21-24
    (2)Losing teams in Divisional Round decide picks 25-28
    (3)Losing teams in Conference Championship Round decide picks 29-30
    (4)Losing team in Super Bowl picks 31st
    (5)Superbowl Champion picks 32nd
  4. Vick And Geno

    Posted 14 Nov 2014

    I think you guys that are saying Geno sucks aren't looking at the big picture. The fact is we dont know what we have in Geno and here is why....

    First off the team is still rebuilding and second you guys saying that really dont have a clue of how bad the offensive line is. Posted stats below of oline problems.

    Vick is a better fit at this point because of his years of experience but Vick isn't a long term solution and he may be able to take a team to the playoffs but he isn't good enough with his broken up body to win a Superbowl. He has taken so many hard hits he is one hard hit away from a season or career ending injury.

    Almost every pure running qb`s that come into the NFL running the ball like a running back has sub-par throwing ability.

    That`s what is amazing about Vick`s transition. Just a guesstimate but Id say 1% or fewer pure running qbs can make the transition like Vick has from a pure running qb to a pretty good pocket passer.

    Pure hybrid qb`s like Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers that have great arms and great running ability are very rare in the NFL.Since they can play as a pocket passer, scrambling or running all very well they dont get hurt as often has pure pocket passers or pure running qb`s because the defense never has a clue whether the qb is going to run or pass.

    RG3 is a perfect example. RG3 is a pure running qb and a terrible pocket passer. When he was able to run all over the field he was able to make some explosive passing plays but with the major injuries he has sustained slowing him down now and the realization that he cant run in the NFL like college without getting hit hard a lot when running the ball it doesn't help matters.

    ESPN had a stat on RG3`s first game back that 7 of 10 of his in-completions were well off target. It also doesn't help that the Redskins offensive line is ranked 23rd. With the Redskins oline as bad as it is I still think Cousins is a better fit until they fix the online. Even if the Redskins do fix the oline I cant see RG3 being the Redskins future. He isnt a pocket passer and he needs to run to make his passing plays. The more he does that the more he is going to take huge hits.

    Kaepernick is another example he is a running qb and needs to run to make his passes. he isn't a pocket passer. Whats worse for the 49`s is their offensive line is ranked 31`st.So Kaep`s numbers are going to stay down until they fix the oline.If they dont he is going to start getting hurt like RG3 has.

    Buffalo has the worst offensive line. Ranked 32nd.

    As far as Geno goes I'm not so sure he does suck. Some of you cant come to terms that this is still a rebuilding year and the offensive line needs a huge overhaul.Its absolutely terrible.

    Unless you have an absolutely elite qb the qb depends greatly on the offensive line There aren't many young qb`s that can come into the league and play well

    The Jets offensive line.....


    (26th) ranked offensive line overall

    (9th) WORST in the league with sacks allowed (21 sacks)

    (6th) WORST in the league with qb hits allowed (40 qb hits)

    (10th) WORST in the league for tackles for lost yardage (30 tackles for lost yardage)

    All that shows the teams offensive line is pure sh!t. This is also why the running game has been going down hill.

    2007 (ranked 29th) and 1999 (27th) were the only years that the oline was worse. 2012 (25th). Other than those three years and this year the oline has been at least average if not very good

    Geno has very good mechanics, throws a fairly accurate ball, scans the field and defense pre and post snap, and doesn't stare down receivers but how can any of you expect a qb with very little NFL experience that is getting hammered constantly to play consistently well behind a horrid offensive line

    Vick`s many years of experience is whats helping him right now but with this terrible online dont be surprised if he gets hurt before the year is over.

    Other than the QB the core of every team in the league is the oline and dline.

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