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santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 02:54 PM) brian shottenheimer must of lost his mind haha
V DidDy 210 Icon : (19 October 2014 - 03:11 PM) fuckin orton
V DidDy 210 Icon : (19 October 2014 - 03:11 PM) how does he keep doing it?
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 04:53 PM) Jack Daniels
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 06:25 PM) murray horse
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:28 PM) GOD DAMN IT ANQUAN
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:29 PM) what is this amateur hour!?!?!?
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:29 PM) come on!
ganggreen2003 Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:43 PM) Manning just broke the Passing TD record
ganggreen2003 Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:44 PM) :boredom: we could of had him a few years ago
ganggreen2003 Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:44 PM) but at least he didn't break it on us
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:45 PM) I don't think he wanted to be here
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:46 PM) I don't really care for passing records being broken. Qbs now have a lot of rules in their favor
santana Icon : (19 October 2014 - 08:46 PM) I mean even the catch that got them into the redzone was a PI call that wouldnt of been called when favre played
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:16 AM) is that a suggestion that Favre was a better QB than Peyton?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:05 AM) No it's a suggestion that passing records today are a bit skewed by the modern rules
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:05 AM) everyone knows Favre is the bestest ever that's not even an argument duhhhhh
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:18 PM) Cool jets throw blanket - http://www.woot.com/...ref=cnt_wp_2_22
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:21 PM) jets slippers yo
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 01:37 PM) jets slippers the OG of cool
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 PM) so Harvin will be wearing #16
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) 10 and 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) 10 and 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) 10 and 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) 10 and 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) WOOOOOO
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) 9 wins a row for the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:28 PM) streets is real
santana Icon : (Today, 12:36 PM) hey 05.. yo 05... 05!!!!
santana Icon : (Today, 12:36 PM) UEFA TIME
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 01:35 PM) Jets to sign Kerley to a 4 year extension
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 01:43 PM) he's a good slot WR, i'm assuming we got him cheap, can't complain
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 01:43 PM) we need to lock up wilk. but if harvin pans out, were set at WR for the next 4 years as decker, kerly, and harvin are all under contract.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 01:44 PM) Ivory is good too, we need a speed back (CJ sin't cuting it) and some o-line and mainly a QB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 01:46 PM) Our offensive weapons aren't bad, need a qb and ol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:09 PM) they were bad when decker was hurt and it was nelson and kerly starting and salas in the slot
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 02:40 PM) That damn street thug Kerley
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 04:18 PM) Yeah because Nelson is terrible, Salas is no more than a #4 kind of wr
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) Can we focus more on this street thug who is stealing $16 million from the team!?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 05:05 PM) salas shouldn't be on an NFL roster. #4 WR is a bit generous
santana Icon : (Today, 06:00 PM) extending kerley is a great move. i could see another team poaching him off the roster real fast.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:17 PM) Salas isn't that bad, hes made some plays for us this season.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:17 PM) You know who shouldn't be on a NFL roster, Salim Hakim. IDK why hes still on the Jets, he was TERRIBLE at KR and has no value as a WR. Waste of a roster spot IMO
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:18 PM) Percy Harvin will be our KR now, I would imagine. Hes electric at it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 06:48 PM) yeah hakim is another one i don't understand. he is even attempting to play WR and got benched at KR
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  1. The Percy Harvin Saga: How Seattle Lost And The Jets Won

    Posted 20 Oct 2014


    The Percy Harvin Saga: How Seattle Lost and the Jets Won

    Seattleís stunning trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets on Friday brought a sudden end to what will go down as an ill-fated dalliance. Seattleís fling with Harvin, which cost them $18.3 million, ended with the speedy wide receiver having played just eight games for the Seahawks, in which he caught 27 passes, produced 322 yards from scrimmage, and scored two touchdowns.

    One of those touchdowns was his second-half kick return in the Super Bowl, which was his best game in a Seattle uniform, and even that just consisted of the kick return, two jet sweeps for 45 yards, and a 5-yard reception in a game that the Seahawks won by 35 points. Harvin played well, but the Seahawks would have won that game if Pete Carroll returned the second-half kickoff. Harvinís run with Seattle, even given that Super Bowl performance, has to be considered a massive disappointment and a brutal mistake by often-excellent general manager John Schneider.

    While a hip injury that virtually wiped out all of Harvinís 2013 season unquestionably didnít help his cause, Harvin flopped in Seattle because the Seahawks never really found a match between their offensive scheme and his talents. I went back and watched each of Harvinís plays as a rusher or receiver from this season and saw the same few concepts: shotgun sweep, jet sweep, shallow cross off the jet sweep motion, quick hitch, screen.1 His only 2014 touchdown came on one of the few exceptions to that bunch, a 51-yard touchdown on a pitch with Harvin lined up as an I-formation tailback.

    1. Given how for the last year weíve heard about how much other teams have to practice to prepare for all the things Harvin can do, it was interesting to read after the trade that the Seahawks offensive coordinator either struggled or got tired of game-planning stuff for Harvin.

    Virtually every one of Harvinís touches in the passing game came within five yards of the line of scrimmage. I only counted four passes past the sticks to Harvin in five weeks: a deep crossing route that went for 33 yards, an interception on a deep out (on what looked like a coverage misread from Russell Wilson), and a pair of passes negated by penalties, including a 41-yard touchdown pass up the seam, one of three Harvin touchdowns wiped off the board in Washington. Harvin was otherwise never thrown a go route or even a deep curl against teams scared of his speed. Crucially, there was never a play where Wilson improvised, got out of the pocket, and found Harvin for any sort of downfield pass.

    It seems unlikely the Seahawks would give up on Harvin this quickly solely for struggling to fit into the offense, which naturally raises questions about whether there were off-field issues. Harvinís past transgressions are numerous, but the Seahawks were surely already aware of those when they acquired him. Reports came out over the weekend that Harvin had gotten into altercations with fellow wideouts Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin, but it also doesnít seem like Harvin was universally regarded as a bad teammate. Adrian Peterson previously described Harvin as the best all-around player heíd ever seen and described his reaction to Harvinís trade out of Minnesota as feeling like ďa kick in the stomach,Ē while a furious Marshawn Lynch almost didnít get on the bus after hearing about this most recent deal.

    The Tate story also seems weird, especially given the post-trade narrative that Harvinís arrival and the apparent fight he had with Tate pushed the longtime Seahawks wideout to Detroit in free agency this year. While I donít doubt those now reporting that an altercation occurred, doesnít it seem odd that Harvin could have gotten into a fight with Tate and given him a reported black eye without a single one of the thousands of media at the Super Bowl noticing it or even hearing that it occurred? And if Tate was so upset by the fight, why did he publicly volunteer to take a hometown discount to stay in Seattle after the Super Bowl? Whatever the skirmish was, it doesnít seem to have been very serious.

    In all, the trade was likely a combination of factors; the off-field transgressions, offensive mismatches, and future injury concerns wouldnít be enough on their own to give up on Harvin this quickly, but as a package, it might have been enough to convince Schneider and Carroll that the Seahawks were better off moving on. They were probably right to do so, but it was curious to see Seattle lauded for (rightfully) understanding that Harvin was a sunk cost and moving quickly when organizations like the Jets and Raiders are lambasted for cutting disappointing mid-round draft picks before the end of their first year. Itís the same logic, and that one organization is very good at a lot of the other things it does while the other two are not doesnít change that logic.

    The move will have financial repercussions for Seattle, both good and bad. The Seahawks donít owe Harvin another dime in real money out of Paul Allenís pockets, but they still owe $7.2 million in cap hits for the signing bonus, which will now accelerate onto their 2015 cap as dead money. Harvinís cap hit for 2015 was originally going to be $12.9 million, so the Seahawks will actually save $5.7 million in cap space next year by making the trade.

    Harvinís contract comes off the books altogether from 2016 to 2018, which saves the Seahawks north of $11 million in each of those three seasons. Thatís money they can now apply elsewhere. They were always going to find the $20 million or so per year in space they will need to re-sign Wilson, but this should help the Seahawks keep the likes of Bobby Wagner and Cliff Avril around in the years to come. It also gives Seattle some space to pursue a wideout in free agency next year2 if it feels like Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, and 2014 draft picks Paul Richardson and Kevin Norwood arenít enough for Wilson. Future financial flexibility unquestionably played a role in this deal.

    2. That might be a dangerous thing, because the Seahawks have struck out miserably on their big-ticket wideout purchases recently. Deion Branch was acquired for a first-round pick, signed to a large extension, got hurt, and was anonymous afterward. T.J. Houshmandzadeh was cut one year into his free-agent pact. Sidney Riceís injuries held him to 1,463 receiving yards in three seasons before being cut. And now Harvin has flopped. Iím mostly kidding (Schneider wasnít even around for some of those moves), but thatís a pretty ugly decade.

    For the Jets, meanwhile, itís a great deal. This is exactly why you donít spend to the cap for the sake of winning newspaper inches; you never know what sort of distressed assets are going to hit the market when you least expect it. Itís the same logic and path to how the Ravens have signed Elvis Dumervil and Steve Smith late in free agency over the past two years, or how the 49ers came away with Donte Whitner and Dashon Goldson in 2011 when they both failed to get the offers they wanted in free agency.

    The difference between spending $10 million on three or four free agents on one-year deals and spending $10 million per year on Harvin is that the free agents the Jets would be signing were likely replacement-level talents, guys whom smart teams find in the bargain bin for the minimum. You canít find a freely available player with Harvinís skills and athleticism. Those players almost always come at a premium.

    I say almost always, of course, because this is the rare exception. The Jets only needed to give up a conditional pick, reportedly a sixth-rounder capable of improving to a fourth-rounder if Harvin stays with the Jets past this season, to acquire the receiver. Even more notably, the Jets really arenít incurring much risk. The only guaranteed money left on Harvinís deal is the remaining $6.5 million in base salary left in 2014. After this year, the Jets have Harvin on a four-year, $41.5 million contract that consists solely of base salaries.

    If Harvin acts up or the Jets decide they want to move on, they can cut Harvin with no cap repercussions whatsoever. (They can also trade him if he reemerges as a worthwhile weapon and they want to sell high.) Itís a deal that has nothing to do with Rex Ryan or John Idzikís job security; itís simply a smart risk to acquire a guy who was worth in excess of a first-round pick 20 months ago. Harvin is probably going to take some time to adjust to the Jets offense, and theyíre still not going to win a lot of football games, but he can be part of the long-term solution in New York.

    As for the Seahawks, they wonít miss the money. What theyíll really rue is the opportunity cost. They traded first-, third-, and seventh-round picks to the Vikings for Harvin, and two of those picks have already made names for themselves: Cornerback Xavier Rhodes is rounding into an above-average starter, while running back Jerick McKinnon has shown flashes of brilliance in his rookie year.

    The Seahawks arenít exactly in need of a halfback or a cover corner these days, but they could use another Vikings player: speedy wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson, a player commonly compared to Harvin who still would have been on the board at no. 25. The Vikings drafted him at 29. They signed Patterson to a four-year, $7.2 million deal after the draft that locks him up through 2016. Patterson has struggled this year, but heís a cost-controlled asset that allows his team to spend elsewhere. The Seahawks, just to pick one clear example, could have had three more years of Patterson, a third-round pick, and whatever else $10 million in cap space could have bought this year.

    As the likes of Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, and Wilson sign new megadeals, the Seahawks will need more players on rookie contracts who deliver production for a relatively low cost. Itís how the Seahawks built their Super BowlĖwinning team in 2013. Thatís what made this Harvin deal so curious the day it happened; it was adding another high-priced asset to a team that was about to need all the cap space it could muster.

    The only way Schneider and Carroll could have justified the move, given the hefty pricetag, is by believing that Harvin was going to be one of the best offensive players in football after arriving in Seattle. He hasnít been anywhere close, and even if the Seahawks had kept him through this year, they probably would have dumped Harvin this offseason after his guaranteed money ran out. It was a bold risk that didnít pay off. That will happen. Sometimes, even the best in the business get it wrong.

  2. Explaining The Jets: Yes, They Definitely Have A Plan

    Posted 7 Oct 2014


    Explaining the Jets: Yes, They Definitely Have a Plan

    by Bill Barnwell on October 7, 2014

    Over the past week, Jets general manager John Idzik has come under fire for perceived slights with his work building the 2014 team. A New York Daily News article by Jets beat writer Manish Mehta on Saturday was followed by an embarrassing 31-0 loss in San Diego. Quarterback Geno Smith, Idzikís second-round pick from the 2013 draft, played dismally before being benched, with postgame reports revealing that Smith had missed a team meeting Saturday. All in all, it was a pretty rough weekend for Idzik.

    While I wonít pretend the Jets looked remotely competent during their loss to the Chargers, I canít agree that Idzik has made a mess of running his football team during his two-year tenure. There have been missteps, just as there are with any general manager, but Idzik has executed a clear plan that makes a lot of sense. Criticisms of his performance miss the logic behind a number of Idzikís decisions.

    Take, for example, the idea that Idzik is somehow frugally holding on to his cap space while Jets fans shell out for some of the most expensive tickets in the league. This isnít late-í90s baseball. Thereís absolutely no relationship between in-stadium ticket prices and team spending; every team in the NFL has more than enough money to spend beyond the salary cap, by virtue of the leagueís massive national television contract. The economics of one simply have nothing to do with the other. The Jets charge a ton for tickets because they think the market will give them a ton for tickets.

    Gang Green has just less than $24 million in cap space, the second-largest figure in football behind the Jaguars ($29 million). Itís natural to think in the short term that the Jets would be better if they had committed that $24 million to players in free agency this offseason, but that ignores two simple concepts.

    One is the idea of cap rollover ó namely, if the Jets donít spend that $24 million this year, they can roll it over to create more space on next yearís cap. They werenít able to do that this offseason, having carried over just $1.5 million in cap space from 2013, which was below the league median of $2.3 million. While the NFL salary cap next year is estimated to be about $140 million, the Jets will get to spend up to $164 million.

    Second is the concept of opportunity cost. Spending that money on players now means youíre unable to carry that money over to the future, when you may very well have better (or more expensive) talent available to pursue. It also takes away roster spots from young players who come through the draft, which is where youíre always going to find the most surplus value to build the most sustainable, effective football team.

    Look at Idzikís past and you can see whom heís emulating. Idzik came from Seattle, where the general manager is John Schneider, who comes from the Ted Thompson tree of managers. Thompson-style general managers hoard draft picks, maintain cap flexibility, and generally avoid the middle class of free agency, only occasionally jumping into the water for a big splash. In fact, the only real missteps Schneider has made during his time at the helm in Seattle have come in free agency, as big deals for players like Matt Flynn, Sidney Rice, and Zach Miller have produced disappointing results, while short-term deals for Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril were wildly successful.

    With that surely in mind, Idzikís philosophy in free agency has been mostly to stick with short-term, low-risk contracts. He went deep for wideout Eric Decker, filling what even Idzik critics would agree was a massive hole by getting the best free agent available at the position with a five-year, $36.25 million deal. Also, offensive lineman Breno Giacomini signed a four-year, $18 million contract. Otherwise, contracts for veterans like Chris Johnson, Jason Babin, and Michael Vick have all been relatively short, cheap, or both. Thatís not Idzik trying to pinch pennies. Itís Idzik emulating the success of the Seahawks, the Packers, and (although Jets fans might not want to hear it) the Patriots. Bad teams spend to the cap for the sake of spending money.

    Idzik had to operate in the low-cost free-agent market because there was very little left in the cupboard when he took over. This was the depth chart in January 2013, shortly before Idzik joined the Jets. It features, by my count, just 17 players who are still on the Jets roster, and most of the departed are veterans who are either done playing football or disappointing on somebody elseís roster. Should Idzik have used the cap space he had to re-sign the likes of Shonn Greene, Austin Howard, or LaRon Landry, who each got ponderously large deals elsewhere?

    Itís fair to say many of the short-term stopgaps havenít paid out, and some have embarrassed the team. Mehta cites the off-field issues of players like Kellen Winslow Jr. and Mike Goodson as evidence it was a mistake to sign them, while cornerback Dimitri Patterson bizarrely signed before the 2014 season and had to be released, leaving the Jets perilously thin. Mehta treats David Garrard as a ďnotable acquisition,Ē which is odd for a quarterback who was signed to a one-year deal for the league minimum. In virtually all these cases, Idzik was throwing a short-term solution at the wall and hoping it stuck. Better Vick at $2 million for one year than, say, Josh McCown at two years and $10 million.

    Given where the Jets are, thatís not a stupid idea. As I wrote about in the teamís preseason preview, previous general manager Mike Tannenbaum frequently traded up in drafts and used draft picks to acquire veterans, leaving the Jets with virtually nothing on their current roster from their 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 drafts. Idzik surely wants to replace those absent holes with draftees, but it takes time to acquire those picks and develop those players.

    And itís hard to say that Idzik has been a subpar drafter. His first selection in 2013, cornerback Dee Milliner, struggled in much the same way most rookie cornerbacks do before suffering a high ankle sprain that has kept him out for virtually all of the 2014 campaign.1 Idzikís other first-rounder, Sheldon Richardson, won defensive rookie of the year. Brian Winters, the teamís third-round pick, has been disappointing at guard. It seems insane to suggest itís time to evaluate Idzikís 12 picks from the 2014 draft beyond noting that itís frustrating to see fourth-rounder Jalen Saunders already released. Idzikís draft record may turn out to be unsatisfactory, but itís far too soon to tell.2

    1. Thereís been a fair amount of criticism of Izdik for not adding more to the secondary in a free-agent market that was full of defensive backs, but you can understand what he was thinking. Idzik let go of Antonio Cromartie, who Mehta says was playing at a Pro Bowl level before Saturday, but Cro was burned to a crisp by the Broncos last week. Idzik had just used a first-round pick on Milliner, who was expected to take the typical big leap forward in his second year. Idzik eventually used his 2014 first-round pick on Louisville safety Calvin Pryor, and he did sign Patterson. Who could have known that Patterson, with no record of bizarre decisions, would disappear two weeks before the season? Now, should Izdik have signed Brandon Flowers? Ö Yeah, probably.

    2. His reticence in giving out big-money free-agent contracts helped this offseason, when the Jets picked up four compensatory picks (a fourth-rounder and three sixth-rounders) from the leagueís free-agent system. Baltimore perennially dominates that market, but itís a place you constantly see smart teams adding value.

    Look at the depth chart of the Seahawks from October 1 of Schneiderís second year with the team as a sign of how much work still had to be done. Schneider had already acquired Marshawn Lynch, but Lynch was a mess who didnít break out until later in the 2011 season. Richard Sherman was just a fifth-round pick who hadnít started an NFL game. The likes of Aaron Curry and Marcus Trufant were still hanging out in serious roles on the roster, while veteran fill-ins like Robert Gallery and Alan Branch would play meaningful roles that year.

    Most notably, pay attention to the most important spot of all: quarterback. Schneider surely knew he wasnít going to win a ton of football games with Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst at quarterback, even after making the mistake of trading a third-round pick and swapping second-round picks to acquire Whitehurst from the Chargers.

    Instead of spending to the limit to try to squeeze a 9-7 season out of a football team with no prayer of going far in the playoffs, Schneider maintained flexibility, trusted his ability to draft and develop talent, and waited for the right quarterback opportunity to come. Eventually he found Russell Wilson, and the rest is history.

    The truth for Idzik and the Jets right now is that it doesnít matter what they do elsewhere in terms of winning now without a quarterback. Theyíre bad enough at that position that the other moves they make are just window dressing ó a series of short-term decisions and drafted lottery tickets to set them up for that moment when they actually have the quarterback they need to succeed. Thatís not what Rex Ryan or Jets fans want to hear, but itís the reality of where theyíre at in the NFL. Idzik still has to execute that plan, and it wonít matter until he finds that quarterback, but heís on the right track.

    As for Ryan and the Jets? Expectations were likely too high coming into the season. The Jets were 8-8 last year, but they were outscored by 97 points, which is the point differential of a 5.4-win team. That win-loss record included an unsustainable 5-1 performance in games decided by a touchdown or less, including two miraculous wins driven by unlikely late-game penalties on the Buccaneers and Patriots. The Jets already had two seven-point losses and an eight-point loss on their rťsumť this year before Sundayís blowout. If they had enjoyed just an average amount of luck in close games last year and gone 5-11, Ryan probably would have been fired. Now, regardless of what Idzik does, Ryan will probably suffer that fate.

  3. Jets Not Putting In Study Effort?

    Posted 6 Oct 2014


    Demario Davis: 'We're not practicing like a championship team'

    SAN DIEGO -- After the New York Jets got trucked by an undrafted rookie named Branden Oliver, only 5-foot-9, 187 pounds, linebacker Demario Davis did his best Rex Ryan impersonation. In other words, he took the blame for the lackluster defensive performance in the 31-0 loss Sunday to the San Diego Chargers.

    "As a leader on defense, I take full responsibility for everything that happens defensively," he said in a near-empty locker room.

    Davis made a few big mistakes, saying he was "virtually invisible," but the problems obviously went beyond him. He shared a couple of troubling opinions, saying: "Right now, we're not practicing like a championship football team." He also said, "I don't see a lot of guys putting a lot of effort into film study."

    Whoa. That's a harsh claim.

    To be clear, Davis said it's his fault because he has to set a better example during the week, but that may have been a subtle message to his teammates: Get your rear ends in gear.

    The Jets (1-4) were shredded by Philip Rivers, who passed for 288 yards and three touchdowns. He's the hottest quarterback in the league, so you knew there would be some hiccups. But they also couldn't stop the run, and that is the hallmark of the Jets' defense. The Jets, who allowed only 250 rushing yards in the first four games, surrendered 162 yards to a team that was averaging only 69.5 per game. Oliver, a fourth-string back, ran for 114 and added another 68 yards in receiving. There were several missed tackles, including two big misses by rookie Calvin Pryor. The Chargers reeled off three 90-yard touchdown drives.

    Rex Ryan played a rope-a-dope strategy, using extra defensive backs and daring Rivers to run the ball. And he did.

    Ryan mixed and matched in the secondary, returning Antonio Allen to safety and reducing Pryor to nickel duty. Allen, in his old position, allowed two touchdowns to tight end Antonio Gates. At times, Ryan employed a dime package, which he doesn't do that often. Then cornerback Darrin Walls (knee) got hurt and he had to adjust. Seldom-used Phillip Adams ended up playing most of the game. He intercepted a pass, the Jets' first of the season, but that was the only bright spot.

    "I was trying everything," Ryan said.

    He apparently flubbed a couple of calls, according to Sheldon Richardson.

    "He had his few communication problems, and we were in the wrong stuff, or it was a different call than what we were calling and he wanted something different," Richardson said. "It only happened like twice, and it really wasnít that big of a play when he did mess up. So itís all on us."

    The low point was Oliver's 53-yard pass reception. The Jets let Rivers slip out of a sack, and he found a wide open Oliver in the flat. He was so open that he could've stopped to sign autographs and still made 50 yards. Davis blew the coverage. He went after Rivers, trying to clean up for a sack, but he let Oliver leak out of the backfield.

  4. Geno Missed Team Meeting Saturday

    Posted 6 Oct 2014


    @KMart_LI: Per a #Jets spokesman, Geno Smith did miss a team mtg Sat night, but it was an "honest mistake." He arrived 5-10mns after it ended.... (1)

    @KMart_LI: Geno was confused about the mtg time, but covered material with Marty + David Lee afterward. Per the team, he has never missed a mtg b4 (2)

    Let the media shit storm begin.
  5. Why Rollover Cap Money?

    Posted 2 Oct 2014

    For everyone that is complaining about the Jets not using all available cap space this year, read the text in the quote. It's a pretty clear explanation of why the Jets left so much cap space open this year and the potential benefit of it in the future.


    This is getting ridiculous. Seriously.

    Every day it seems like the topic of Revis comes up and what gets posted is some of the most misinformed garbage you'll ever see on this site... and that's saying something. I'm not going to try and change your mind on the Revis topic, instead I'm going to explain to the people who clearly don't understand or downplay the advantage of rollover money.


    What is rollover money?
    Rollover money is a concept that was introduced in the newest CBA, signed in 2011. It allows a team to do exactly what it says... roll money over into the next year. This number gets added to the team's salary cap number, therefore creating extra space to sign free agents. There is no limit to how much money can be rolled over into the following year.

    Is it really that cut and dry?
    You know it. Every cent you don't spend, you can spend the following year. If you don't spend it the following year, you can roll it on over to the next. It actually doesn't even affect the salary floor, which is a percentage of the unaffected salary cap that the team MUST be paying out in order to avoid penalty.

    Any examples of who has benefited from this?
    Two years ago, Tampa Bay rolled over $23.5 million and subsequently signed Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks -- two of the top players available at their position -- and still had over $13 mil to spend.

    Anyone remember the biggest signing of 2012? A little guy named Peyton Manning? That $19 mil contract was a whole lot more affordable after John Elway rolled over $27 million.

    How were the Jags able to snag two defensive starters from the champion Seahawks, Ziggy Hood, Zane Beadles, Toby Gerhart and sign all of their rookies this year? Carrying over $19.6 mil from the previous year will help.

    The Browns matched Alex Mack's crazy offer sheet from Jax, brought Nate Burleson and Ben Tate on board, gave Joe Haden a monster extension and brought in a pretty hefty front-loaded rookie class. Having an extra $24.5 mil to play with is a nice luxury, I guess.

    Are there any hidden pitfalls?
    Hidden? No. Smart GMs will understand that even if you can spend an extra $20 mil one year, you won't have that same ability the following year (unless you somehow roll over $20 mil more). Handing out big contracts all in one year will hurt your cap the next year. But if you manage correctly, this problem is easily avoidable.

    So how does this affect the Jets?
    There are a lot of variables, but let's look at what we know right now rather than trying to speculate. There is approximately $21 million that Idzik can rollover into next year. That would mean our salary cap number is the estimated $140 million plus the rolled over $21 million... $161 million. Assuming we make no cuts, no trades, no 2-year deals, no extensions before next season, that means we will have $92,833,456 on the books. The dead money is almost non existent... $285,413.

    So $161 million minus the $93,118,869 we will be spending leaves us with $67,881,131 to spend. Again this is approximate because there are variables we have no way of knowing about that will affect the salary cap number... but... wow.

    Brick and Mangold will be due a combined $21 million next year. Does that number look familiar? Carrying over this year's cap money completely wipes out the two biggest contracts on the books for next season. You don't have to worry about cutting your two best linemen, restructuring... any of that. You can now give Mo his money, you can go out and spend $30 mil and STILL have somewhere in the vicinity of $15-20 mil to roll over to the next year! Then you can pay Kerley, you can pay Sheldon, you can pay Harris... you can keep all of your best players all while having the flexibility to add impact players where needed.


    Hopefully that helps if you're one of the few who still don't understand how important rollover money is and how with our current situation, it could be a HUGE boost. Signing Revis would have knocked out $12 million of that money and if he walks next year, you lost a huge chunk of change for a one year rental. Or you have to give him a huge contract to stay as a 31 year old CB and you eat into cap space.

    If you're a rebuilding franchise (check) with young studs you want to lock up (check) and veterans you want to keep (check) then rolling over the money makes WAY too much sense. Far more sense than signing Revis for one year or keeping him longterm. There's really no other way to look at it unless you only care about right here, right now.

    Luckily, our GM doesn't.
    Post by MoProblems96 from GGN http://forums.thegan...-ny-jets.81559/

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